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Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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That Norwegian decision is a travesty as presented here, how can a repair infringe on a trademark and how on Earth did that not lead to an appeal. Using aftermarket parts is a well established practice in automotive, I see absolutely no reason why that would not extend to phones. Are they going to demand cars are only repaired with OEM parts as well?

>The Norwegian judges made the final decision purely assessing trademark violations on these screens, based on obscure and technical details that are entirely invisible to consumers (...) while Huseby still maintains they were refurbished. (...) >As Huseby puts it, Apple uses intellectual property law as a “weapon” by putting multiple logos and QR-codes on each component part of its screens, knowing that the Chinese…

Disgusting.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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The practice in automotive is there due to historical legacy - it would never be allowed in modern world. If anything, the carmakers have started to prevent you from doing your own repairs by demanding their own proprietary software to pair car controller modules. That software is licensed only to dealers and trying to use it outside those licensed conditions is a DMCA violation. With BMW pioneering car microtransact…

Well, fuck BMW then.

Indeed. The last good car they made was the E46 M3 anyway (2006!)

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

#43
post #28

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The practice in automotive is there due to historical legacy - it would never be allowed in modern world. If anything, the carmakers have started to prevent you from doing your own repairs by demanding their own proprietary software to pair car controller modules. That software is licensed only to dealers and trying to use it outside those licensed conditions is a DMCA violation. With BMW pioneering car microtransact…

Well, fuck BMW then.

I'll never buy another one again after this.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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I think it's more about boiling the frog. Temper the initial outrage with exceptions, let people get used to the idea that repairs are wrong but it's sometime ok, then remove exceptions later. It's the same long game the inkjet printer people have been unfortunately winning for a while now.

Exactly, it all starts with exceptions until it's time for "think about the children", "nothing to hide, right?" and it's easygame towards "safety of our people"

When it comes to phones, the excuse is "security" of the phone, locking down the device as much as possible. And it's sad how that sentiment is echoed even on forums like HN. Apple as already a closed walled garden, Android is quickly moving that way with each release.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

#46

Is it really "your" smartphone if you are not allowed to modify it?

If the telcos had their way, once your contract ended the phone would vaporise before your eyes.

If that's the case, why don't they already do this? It's totally feasible to design a phone that will brick itself when your contract ends. There's no legal impediment to doing it either.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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> I think the days where one needs to be licensed to use a debugger might not be far away. GNU/Linux and the BSDs have never before looked so essential to the survival of computing as we know it.

Yet, one of the main companies behind Linux is Microsoft and one of the main companies behind BSD is Apple. It's really hard not to have a negative outlook on both.

Apple doesn't rule a shit over OpenBSD.

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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I am unclear on what is meant by ROM. Don't most smartphones store their operating system on the same flash memory as user data? If it is all on one writable device, then ROM chips don't enter into this discussion.

ROM refers to third party distributions of OSs for phones.

I can't find anything documenting the etymology, but I assume it's derived from rips of games used in emulation, which are in fact downloaded from "read-only memory".

Re: Repairing your smartphone or installing a ROM will now be a crime in Mexico

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If the telcos had their way, once your contract ended the phone would vaporise before your eyes.

If that's the case, why don't they already do this? It's totally feasible to design a phone that will brick itself when your contract ends. There's no legal impediment to doing it either.

Because nobody would buy such a phone. They might wish but can't.
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