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Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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Re: Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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Its interesting. This wasn't a slip of a phrase or "outburst" like error. This was a sustained train of thought gone seriously awry. I wonder how long it took Scott to say to himself "wait.. no.." and wander back to his computer to delete this.

It just goes to show that everyone makes mistakes, even when it is ostensibly their profession. Adams always rode the line between astute observation of reality's offensiveness and being offensive himself. I'm surprised this hasn't happened to him more often.

Re: Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bullshit. If you write something and publish it to the world, you can't just take it back. You can edit it, publish corrections, or clarify your position, but you can't un-publish something unless you get lucky and no one noticed before you deleted it. Adams has been on the internet long enough to know better. And honestly, he's made a habit of putting his foot in his mouth in the past few years. It was just a matter…

Arguably reproducing his entire blog post verbatim violates his copyright...

I'd say this could fall under fair use... :)

Re: Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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Adams has a few good points about this. I'm not saying that it's completely right, but some ideas are.

1. In Family Court, the man is seen as the bad one. Unless the woman is a baby-eater or something disgusting, she will get custody, with the man getting every other weekend or some such. He will also be charged to pay up to half his income for the "child",. And there is usually little or no checks to make sure it goes to the child.

2. In terms of parental and mother rights: A woman has a multitude of techniques in which to evade or eliminate pregnancy. These techniques can include up to abortion (this is NOT an abortion debate). After the child is born, the woman can also leave the child(ren) at a multitude of safe "drop points" in which the child is considered abandoned without criminal charge. The man, has very little recourse over children, even up to the woman having birth. There is no way for a man to give up parental rights and also not pay child support. The woman can do this at any time.

3. Women's pay is not in parity with men's pay of an equal job with equal skills. This is correct. The "solution" to this is to lower men's pay to that of women. And in cases which the woman sues, (SCOTUS case http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/05/29/340479/-SCOTUS:-Wom...) the woman is still screwed. Not surprising from SCOTUS.

But the comments comparing women with mentally handicapped and children... Well... That (ahem) stands for itself. That shit is just indefensible.

Re: Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably reproducing his entire blog post verbatim violates his copyright...

I'd say this could fall under fair use... :)

It could be certainly. Fair use is determined on a case by case basis and one of the factors is the amount of the work used in respect to the whole work. He quoted the entire work...

Re: Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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Adams has a few good points about this. I'm not saying that it's completely right, but some ideas are. 1. In Family Court, the man is seen as the bad one. Unless the woman is a baby-eater or something disgusting, she will get custody, with the man getting every other weekend or some such. He will also be charged to pay up to half his income for the "child",. And there is usually little or no checks to make sure it go…

There is no way for a man to give up parental rights and also not pay child support.

My understanding is a man can, in fact, give up parental rights and not pay child support. I know a man who did so (though I don't know all the details). As I understand it, he had a brief fling with a woman who was separated from her husband. The marriage was falling apart in part due to the fact that it had not resulted in a child. The couple got back together and she found out she was pregnant. But the baby didn't belong to hubby. It belonged to the man she had a fling with while separated. She and hubby opted to stay together and wanted to raise the child as their own. They wanted to get rid of Mr. Fling. As I understand it, he was happy to sign away his parental rights as a means to avoid ever having to pay child support.

Re: Scott Adam's Controversial Deleted Post on Men's Rights

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Adams has a few good points about this. I'm not saying that it's completely right, but some ideas are. 1. In Family Court, the man is seen as the bad one. Unless the woman is a baby-eater or something disgusting, she will get custody, with the man getting every other weekend or some such. He will also be charged to pay up to half his income for the "child",. And there is usually little or no checks to make sure it go…

"I realize I might take some heat for lumping women, children and the mentally handicapped in the same group. So I want to be perfectly clear. I’m not saying women are similar to either group. I’m saying that a man’s best strategy for dealing with each group is disturbingly similar. If he’s smart, he takes the path of least resistance most of the time, which involves considering the emotional realities of other people. A man only digs in for a good fight on the few issues that matter to him, and for which he has some chance of winning. This is a strategy that men are uniquely suited for because, on average, we genuinely don’t care about 90% of what is happening around us".

Looking at it rationally, there's two counter arguments he makes that can be considered. Women's rights activists arguing women earn 80 cents to the dollar and fewer women in top management.

I personally think the second argument is valid while the first argument isn't unless I see some objective evidence.

He could've refrained from the comparison with Children / mentally handicapped as it can lead you to wrong conclusions even on a forum like HN, but the rest of the argument isn't something that you get upset about.

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