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De-escalating social media conflict

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Re: De-escalating social media conflict

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Journalists aren't the elite. They're the PR people working for the elite.

Using elite as a term of derision is rather silly anyway. Who else would you want running the country than the most skilled and accomplished?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_meritocracy

I want a country where the median person is educated and grounded enough to make good choices about their community.

Re: De-escalating social media conflict

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If there's anyone out there who wants to earn money from advertising there are two words you need to be aware of: "BRAND SAFETY" No well known advertiser wants their brand associated with something unpopular or toxic. This is why YouTube is demonetising any video that mentions Covid-19. YouTube themselves technically probably don't care, but brand safety conscious advertisers certainly do, and so YouTube must too. Th…

Any brand wants potential customers And social networks have hundreds of millions of them Do you think Coca Cola cares if KKK members drink it and bottles of Coke are shown in pictures of their rallies? Brand awareness is more important to them Starbucks cups with name spelled wrong are the perfect example: people think they are funny and post the picture of the cup with the Starbucks logo making the brand more popul…

You're right, Coca Cola does not care if KKK members drink their product; a sale is a sale.

They most certainly do care about being seen to be actively targeting the KKK audience.

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No. First, it’s not a comparison, just 2 examples. Second, I’m pretty sure that many on the opposing end of political spectrum (compared to you) might find it offensive in the other direction. But yea I did expect it to be badly received here on HN.

I think that white supremacists are off the end of the political spectrum, and that we shouldn't worry too much about what offends them. But the issue isn't just the comparison, it's the suggestion that BLM is inherently a violent movement (so that endorsing BLM would equate to endorsing violence). BLM is a broad movement. It's not only people on the left - and certainly not only people on the far left - who support…

No matter how much you detest them, how can the members of the ruling party, in a country that until very recently had their views enshrined in law, be off the end of the political spectrum?

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> No well known advertiser wants their brand associated with something unpopular or toxic. That's pre-historic thinking. No reasonable long-term user of Social Media would think that a Frozen ad showing next to some BLM/white supremacist content means that Disney endorses violence/racism. It just means that you've liked Frozen (or similar things) before. The dinosaurs will die out. They'll be replaced by social-media…

That may be true at some point in the future, but I believe we're quite far away from it. Most users on the internet are not savvy at all, and I don't see that changing. I had expected the younger generations to be "digital natives", but they're not. They know their apps and services, but it's not a generalized understanding to how things work or what's common. Imho the fact that adblocker-usage isn't approaching 100…

Why are you calling people "unsavvy" for understanding the complexity of how money works and how they can influence th behavior of billionaire elites?

Re: De-escalating social media conflict

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The author goes into that in the next section of the article. Forgiveness starts with an apology.

Forgiveness also requires our being right . That's not a given. If not, it's not an apology, it's shouting at someone until they're too exhausted to defend themselves any more. So, we should start by not assuming that. Especially when large numbers of people agree with us.

Forgiveness certainly does not require being correct. The "mistake" language is excellent, because it covers cases where you may not have been badgered at all. You could feel it was a mistake to post something based on its timing (eg a tasteless joke)

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If there's anyone out there who wants to earn money from advertising there are two words you need to be aware of: "BRAND SAFETY" No well known advertiser wants their brand associated with something unpopular or toxic. This is why YouTube is demonetising any video that mentions Covid-19. YouTube themselves technically probably don't care, but brand safety conscious advertisers certainly do, and so YouTube must too. Th…

> fascists on both the far-left While I appreciate your comment otherwise, fascism is universally agreed to be a far-right ideology and claiming otherwise at this point in history can't really be taken as anything but inflammatory, which isn't what belongs here in an otherwise insightful comment.

Left and right are arbitrary labels applied to the two largest opposing parties in a country. They aren't ideologies.

Re: De-escalating social media conflict

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Actually the full quote is: > fascists on both the far-left and far-right of the political debate According to Merriam-Webster, fascism is:[0] > a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible su…

> the Soviet Union was arguably fascist No, it wasn't. Fascism is not simply "what you don't like" If USSR was arguably fascist, so are the USA then. Do you think bombing other countries for their oil or to seize control of countries close to the enemy borders (like in Vietnam) looks more democratic or fascist? USSR has been at war in Afghanistan for 9 years, mainly because USA financed the resistance, creating and a…

We are long past the point of "fascism" meaning anything but "government that hurts people"

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>So they become self-reinforcing cess pools of thought that (hopefully) gradually lose relevance. You've referenced engagement first, but then, you've ignored about it in your conclusion. That is, as long as the inflow counters the outflow of participants, the situation will not improve or will even worsen - just as we've experienced in the last decade.

Inflow is partially bots and sockpuppets-- and their share probably goes up the more toxic the environment is. Have you seen the truly awesome GPT3 authored navy seal copypasta? Perhaps twitter will eventually be autonomous machines throwing vicious and brilliant insults at each other.

Bots are humans until advertisers decided they aren't.

Re: De-escalating social media conflict

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It happens in capitalism, and it happens in socialism, because it happens everywhere. It is like saying "entropy increases in capitalism"; technically true, but misleading. Things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law happen regardless of political regime or economical system. In different situations they take different forms: in capitalism, companies try to maximize (short-term) (perceived) shareholder…

Are you replying to the wrong comment? There's no mention of "socialism" in the parent comment?

He's just using it for contrast and flair

Expanding on a topic necessarily encompasses a superset of cases such as the contrast provided

Re: De-escalating social media conflict

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Any brand wants potential customers And social networks have hundreds of millions of them Do you think Coca Cola cares if KKK members drink it and bottles of Coke are shown in pictures of their rallies? Brand awareness is more important to them Starbucks cups with name spelled wrong are the perfect example: people think they are funny and post the picture of the cup with the Starbucks logo making the brand more popul…

You're right, Coca Cola does not care if KKK members drink their product; a sale is a sale. They most certainly do care about being seen to be actively targeting the KKK audience.

I wouldn't be so sure about it.

https://creativeloafing.com/content-219258-Activists-block-S...

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/opinion/when-jim-crow-dra...

https://medium.com/@FrankCastro/she-doesnt-look-american-coc...

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