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The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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Re: The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently. And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done noth…

The first three paragraphs of the linked article talk about an attack on two federal security officers in Oakland and the pipe bombs that were used against sheriff's deputies attempting to arrest the suspect - a suspect who "had scrawled boog, along with various boogaloo slogans, in his own blood on the hood of a car" This is possibly one of the first things they've done, but I'd hardly characterize that as doing not…

>This is possibly one of the first things they've done

Well, unless it was orchestrated by the movement itself or one of its "leaders", one could make the age-old argument that it was just a couple of nutjobs who happened to subscribe or meet on the same Facebook group or wherever.

In any "movement" there will always be a number of complete nutjobs, as we well know.

Re: The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently. And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done noth…

If a highly polarized comment such is this is willing to group everybody involved in protests into the 'left', then perhaps accept my anecdotal story. I have a few close friends in the 'boogaloo' movement and I honestly believe they might be one energy drink away from killing someone. They don't really have their own ideology, but are driven by highly polarizing comments they read online.

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Can you explain what you mean by "folkish"? I googled and got very little except this wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement but it seems to be only based on a literal translation from German.

folkish means racially or culturally conscious and having an affinity for your "own people".

An example would would be Israel, where jews can be with their "own".

There's pros and cons. Pros would be that its more of a long-term strategy to preserve cultural diversity, since their large pockets of peoples (ie. japan is still overwhelmingly Japanese). It also allows the children in that folkish community to be raise with their own culture. these folkish pockets also create more interesting tourism, since its distinguished from a globalized generic culture.

A con would be if you become so fixated on it that you see your folk as superior that you don't share your culture with others, don't let in outsiders, and you don't visit and enjoy other cultures. This would means instead of having a healthy appreciation for diverse culture (your's included), you just hate others. A lack of exposure to other culture means your own won't improve.

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently. And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done noth…

Please don't use HN for ideological flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently. And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done noth…

Leftists have done no such thing, instead what has happened is that peaceful protesters, even while in the middle of a candlelight vigil or while playing violin music, have been attacked by literal jackbooted thugs and beaten and shot with rubber bullets. If you are so confused by watching Fox News that you are unable to see actual uniformed authoritarian thugs in the streets and recognize them for what they are, as…

Please don't use HN for ideological flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain what you mean by "folkish"? I googled and got very little except this wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lkisch_movement but it seems to be only based on a literal translation from German.

folkish means racially or culturally conscious and having an affinity for your "own people". An example would would be Israel, where jews can be with their "own". There's pros and cons. Pros would be that its more of a long-term strategy to preserve cultural diversity, since their large pockets of peoples (ie. japan is still overwhelmingly Japanese). It also allows the children in that folkish community to be raise w…

I don't think it's accurate to describe the state of Israel with the terminology of white nationalism.

Re: The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

folkish means racially or culturally conscious and having an affinity for your "own people". An example would would be Israel, where jews can be with their "own". There's pros and cons. Pros would be that its more of a long-term strategy to preserve cultural diversity, since their large pockets of peoples (ie. japan is still overwhelmingly Japanese). It also allows the children in that folkish community to be raise w…

I don't think it's accurate to describe the state of Israel with the terminology of white nationalism.

If the shoe fits.
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