Unfortunately still we have Guam, Puerto Rico and others that have given so much but remain as not quite citizens
And the residents of DC who despite being citizens are denied representation
The Fourth of July
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seeing a statue of Lincoln defaced made me more sad than almost any of the other. If we can’t look to people like Lincoln as our heroes, then what type of hero do we really want?
The defaced statue was a conservative media misunderstanding: We traced the photo back to the conservative website the Daily Wire, where “The Michael Knowles Show”... - https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/statue-in-lincoln-memorial...
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#33Unfortunately still we have Guam, Puerto Rico and others that have given so much but remain as not quite citizens
Statehood is a complicated issue. For example in Puerto Rico, there have were several referendums and statehood has never carried a majority.
> On November 6, 2012, eligible voters in the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico were presented with two questions:
> (1) whether they agreed to continue with Puerto Rico's territorial status and (2) to indicate the political status they preferred from three possibilities: statehood, independence, or a sovereign nation in free association with the United States.[29] A full 970,910 (54.0%) voted "No" on the first question, expressing themselves against maintaining the current political status, and 828,077 (46.0%) voted "Yes", to maintain the current political status. Of those who answered on the second question 834,191 (61.2%) chose statehood, 454,768 (33.3%) chose free association, and 74,895 (5.5%) chose independence.[2]
The plurality, 46%, wanted to maintain the status quo. Less than 35% wanted statehood. And 20% wanted to move in the opposite direction: free association or independence.
There was a 2017 referendum which resulted in overwhelming support for statehood only because it was boycotted by the status quo party.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the residents of DC who despite being citizens are denied representation
It was a huge mistake to allow people to live inside DC in the first place. The National Capital that is part of no state shouldn't have anyone actually be a resident.
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#35A bit sentimental, but on holidays we can accept that. The bigger problem with this historical account is that it is incomplete. We Americans like to pretend that this story begins with WWII, when the evil Empire of Japan invaded those bucolic isles of the Philippines, whose brave residents were inspired by MacArthur to rise up against colonialism. In reality, this history began in 1898. Americans pretended to ally w…
Now that's an idea. People aren't born American citizens but as probationary citizens, and they only become full citizens after fulfilling a series of trials. Imagine what kind of society would emerge from the other end.
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#36A bit sentimental, but on holidays we can accept that. The bigger problem with this historical account is that it is incomplete. We Americans like to pretend that this story begins with WWII, when the evil Empire of Japan invaded those bucolic isles of the Philippines, whose brave residents were inspired by MacArthur to rise up against colonialism. In reality, this history began in 1898. Americans pretended to ally w…
The interesting thing is that despite what America did to these Filipino soldiers, they still chose to be American and sacrificed the majority of their life to do so. American immigration really is the ultimate test of loyalty. Makes you wonder how many natural-born Americans would still choose to be American if they had to go through the immigration experience first. Now that's an idea. People aren't born American c…
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#37Tearjerker, but in a positive way. I believe so much in this country and it's ability to right what's wrong, eventually.
I hope we find it in ourselves to right our wrongs and stop the wrongs actively being committed against Americans and aspiring Americans. We’re so far from living up to our ideals, but it is hopeful to remember that we can make progress and have made progress in the past.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those born in American Samoa fit parent's comment. They're US nationals, but not citizens. Only a few months ago, a district judge ruled that they should be citizens, but stayed his own order pending appeal. [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/us/american-samoa-us-citi...
This is interesting: > The government of American Samoa has opposed automatic citizenship for its residents, arguing it would threaten the territory’s traditional cultural and religious practices. I’m surprised the local government would prefer “non-citizen national” status.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was a huge mistake to allow people to live inside DC in the first place. The National Capital that is part of no state shouldn't have anyone actually be a resident.
That particular mistake is too late to rectify now, unless someone is proposing to relocate 700,000 people. Hell, even just letting them vote as unofficial residents of the nearest state would solve the problem; Maryland can have those votes for federal office without having D.C. yield any of its own authority to enforce its borders.
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#40https://twitter.com/search?q=%23FvckTheForth&src=trend_click
Yet I still love it more than not. That seems to make me an "other" to so many of these people.