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Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by tyingq »

brians wrote: post #9
tyingq wrote: post #3

Sounds like the ceremony would have been roughly a year after the first gulf war in 1991. Which also included a fair number of non-citizen US combatants. I met a lot of them during my 8 year service. It's not clear to me what advantage that path offers, but I can say there are a lot of people that try it, specifically because they think it's an accelerated path to citizenship.

It was the only path for my family—illegal immigrants in the inter-war years who served in WW2 for citizenship. The US kept its promise to Europeans, even those not then considered white—but broke its promise to Filipinos. We have a lot of growing to do.

That's very interesting to me. Do you think the statistics would show that? That whitish, for example, Eastern European recruits, would have had better luck than more brown folks?

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by toby »

tingletech wrote: post #5

Up until March, my office was less than a block from the Paramount theater in downtown Oakland. Once a month there would be a huge naturalization ceremony there as I was walking in to the office. That always did make me feel proud to be "an American", seeing all the newly naturalized people and their families crowding the area.

That's where I was naturalized! I had mixed feelings about being required to go to a ceremony even though all my paperwork was done, but in the end it was really special.

On the way home I went to the Betabrand factory (which was on Cesar Chavez), told them that I had just gotten naturalized and that I wanted to buy some of their Stars and Stripes pants. They thought it was so cute that they created a special discount code for people who have just become citizens.

Another fun thing was walking through the mission, which has a lot of immigrants, people would see the envelope I was holding and yell "congratulations" or even high-five me.

That night my friends took me to a baseball game. It was overall a lovely induction.

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #2

As a father, a husband, a former soldier and an American, this brings a tear to my eye. “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” - Lincoln As an American I feel we are bound not by our failures of past moral…

Seeing a statue of Lincoln defaced made me more sad than almost any of the other. If we can’t look to people like Lincoln as our heroes, then what type of hero do we really want?

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by skybrian »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #13
myrandomcomment wrote: post #2

As a father, a husband, a former soldier and an American, this brings a tear to my eye. “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” - Lincoln As an American I feel we are bound not by our failures of past moral…

Seeing a statue of Lincoln defaced made me more sad than almost any of the other. If we can’t look to people like Lincoln as our heroes, then what type of hero do we really want?

I'm not sure we should necessarily read all that much into what gets graffiti. There are trolls everywhere, and it can be cleaned up.

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by radley »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #13
myrandomcomment wrote: post #2

As a father, a husband, a former soldier and an American, this brings a tear to my eye. “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” - Lincoln As an American I feel we are bound not by our failures of past moral…

Seeing a statue of Lincoln defaced made me more sad than almost any of the other. If we can’t look to people like Lincoln as our heroes, then what type of hero do we really want?

The defaced statue was a conservative media misunderstanding:

We traced the photo back to the conservative website the Daily Wire, where “The Michael Knowles Show”...

- https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/statue-in-lincoln-memorial...

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by nwienert »

radley wrote: post #16
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing a statue of Lincoln defaced made me more sad than almost any of the other. If we can’t look to people like Lincoln as our heroes, then what type of hero do we really want?

The defaced statue was a conservative media misunderstanding: We traced the photo back to the conservative website the Daily Wire, where “The Michael Knowles Show”... - https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/statue-in-lincoln-memorial...

That specific one was, but there are others being called to take down, and this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-memorial-steps-...

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by baybal2 »

myrandomcomment wrote: post #2

As a father, a husband, a former soldier and an American, this brings a tear to my eye. “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.” - Lincoln As an American I feel we are bound not by our failures of past moral…

Americans!

People cannot "transcend" past wrongs, so don't do them.

The ones correcting historical wrongs, and undoing mess ups of previous generations don't do that for the "good" memory of people who did them.

Re: The Fourth of July

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Post by cactus2093 »

radley wrote: post #16
ed25519FUUU wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing a statue of Lincoln defaced made me more sad than almost any of the other. If we can’t look to people like Lincoln as our heroes, then what type of hero do we really want?

The defaced statue was a conservative media misunderstanding: We traced the photo back to the conservative website the Daily Wire, where “The Michael Knowles Show”... - https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/statue-in-lincoln-memorial...

How about the statue of Ulysses S Grant in San Francisco? Same level of absurdity as Lincoln. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/20/san-francisc...
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