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The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

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Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

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People get confused when they can’t fit a movement (which, incidentally, this really isn’t) into a box on the left or right.

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It’s really unfortunate to see such an unchallenged application of the label “libertarian” here. Put aside your own feelings for a moment. Highlighting any connection between libertarianism with the alt-right, white supremacy, or anti-government militias seems as disingenuous as the superficial connection between atheism and fascist communism. In either case, does the ideology overlap in convenient areas (to the nega…

It’s the same rhetorical trick that allows folks in all-Democrat city and state governments to blame Republicans for all the problems.

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It’s really unfortunate to see such an unchallenged application of the label “libertarian” here. Put aside your own feelings for a moment. Highlighting any connection between libertarianism with the alt-right, white supremacy, or anti-government militias seems as disingenuous as the superficial connection between atheism and fascist communism. In either case, does the ideology overlap in convenient areas (to the nega…

Not all of them are racists, but all of them are libertarians. The writer doesn't do a good job of clarifying that, but it's not like applying the label is inaccurate.

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It’s really unfortunate to see such an unchallenged application of the label “libertarian” here. Put aside your own feelings for a moment. Highlighting any connection between libertarianism with the alt-right, white supremacy, or anti-government militias seems as disingenuous as the superficial connection between atheism and fascist communism. In either case, does the ideology overlap in convenient areas (to the nega…

I've run into far too many aggressively toxic, self proclaimed "libertarians" on the internet. So when the article mentioned "libertarian" in the context of the "boogaloo" idiots, it didn't surprise me at all. Libertarianism has changed a bit with the times, as have Democrats and Republicans. All kinds of bad ideas have crept in, after fermenting on the internet.

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People get confused when they can’t fit a movement (which, incidentally, this really isn’t) into a box on the left or right.

But he tries his best to tie it to the "right" anyway, whatever that means nowadays. Conservatives shooting police? Give me a break.

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently.

And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done nothing (good or bad). Going from disappointment that the right didn't get involved whatsoever in the last month, to attempting to meme a conservative boogeyman into reality.

>The Boogaloo: when does a meme become a terrorist movement?

>Please become a terrorist movement, you guys, we and our ideological partners have significant egg our faces and it's limiting our candidate's election chances.

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Care to elaborate? This is the first time I hear about the "boogaloo" thing

Robert Evans and Jason Wilson have a pretty good overview here: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2020/05/27/the-boogaloo-move...

wow, that's an amazing level of depth! really cool article

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Boogaloo Bois and Nazi Bronies; clearly the people at the Atlantic are besieged by right wing terror recently. I'm personally waiting for the ranks of marching Nazi's with rainbow uniforms and strap on unicorn horns, haven't seen any yet but thanks to the vigilance of modern media I know to listen for the menacing "clop" of approaching hoof boots.

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently. And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done noth…

The first three paragraphs of the linked article talk about an attack on two federal security officers in Oakland and the pipe bombs that were used against sheriff's deputies attempting to arrest the suspect - a suspect who "had scrawled boog, along with various boogaloo slogans, in his own blood on the hood of a car"

This is possibly one of the first things they've done, but I'd hardly characterize that as doing nothing bad

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The whole world has watched on as crowds of leftists have looted, attacked property, chanted death threats, beaten and even killed people for a month straight. The same ideology captured a part of a city, set up an "autonomous zone" with its own police force who themselves shot and killed a kid recently. And yet the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done noth…

"the Atlantic, and recently the BBC, want us to worry about some fringe group who've collectively done nothing (good or bad)"

Not quite.

"On May 29, two federal security officers guarding a courthouse in Oakland, California, were ambushed by machine-gun fire as elsewhere in the city demonstrators marched peacefully to protest the killing of George Floyd. One of the guards, David Patrick Underwood, died as a result of the attack, and the other was wounded. For days, conservative news broadcasters pinned the blame on “antifa,” the loosely affiliated group of anti-fascist anarchists known to attack property and far-right demonstrators at protests. But the alleged culprit, apprehended a week later, turned out to be a 32-year-old Air Force sergeant named Steven Carrillo, the head of a squadron called the Phoenix Ravens, which guards military installations from terrorist attacks.

"According to prosecutors, Carrillo and an accomplice, 30-year-old Robert A. Justus Jr., were part of the “boogaloo” movement, a patchwork of right-leaning anti-government libertarians, Second Amendment advocates, and gun enthusiasts all preparing for another American civil war."[1]

[1] - https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/07/ameri...

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