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Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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What a weird idea. What if you're using it for navigation? What if I want to pause the audiobook I'm listening to? I have to stop and remove myself from the flow of traffic? (not even possible sometimes)

I think probably minimal use like that would not be an issue, and there is no penalty at the moment. It'd be nice if they would link to the actual draft ordinance, so I could read it.

Added: Yeah, seems like you would have no problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23731864

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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Seems like it was only in force for a day, and carried no penalties. Also seems like it was aimed at people who are looking at their smartphones primarily (i.e. playing Pokémon GO).

I don't think they were looking to cure the menace of 歩きスマホ in the stroke of a pen, but rather wanted awareness of the issues of being engaged primarily with your phone rather than your environment.

https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASN71728GN71ULOB004.html#:~:t...

The language chosen for defining 歩きスマホ (“walking smartphone”) uses the word https://jisho.org/word/注視 in its definition, not sure if this is just formal language, or there is some important distinction between 注視 and 見て here.

Nonetheless, here is the draft:

http://www.city.yamato.lg.jp/web/content/000159510.pdf

And if you happen to live in Yamato, and want to track this, here is one of the official pages for tracking the ordinance.

http://www.city.yamato.lg.jp/web/d-seibi/arukisumahopb.html

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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In London, they used to have a prohibition against absent-mindedly using your phone while walking enforced by privateer motorcyclists who would confiscate your phone.

Sadly that tradition is alive and well. Angel is a particular hot spot for it

I still remember getting my phone swiped on the sidewalk across from my favorite restaurant on Chapel Market.

(There are many words I've adopted since moving here. "Pavement" is not one of them.")

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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I get that people dawdle but simply that 6% of people use their phones whilst walking isn’t a problem. It’s an observation. What are they hoping to change and by how much?

I’ve never been to Yamato, but pedestrian congestion is a problem on some crowded sidewalks in the US. If 6% of users are blocking the sidewalk, it can create slow downs for 94% of everyone else who are trying to get somewhere.

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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In general I find people using their phones whilst walking to be a nuisance, but I'm still not particularly in favour of this. There are at least two legitimate use cases that don't cause too many problems: 1. Using your phone as an actual phone (i.e., an audio only conversation with the thing held to your ear, or with a headset). 2. Using it as a navigational aid. If I'm not too sure where I'm going I'll often use e…

>1. Using your phone as an actual phone (i.e., an audio only conversation with the thing held to your ear, or with a headset).

There's no indication this bans audio calls, given it specifically calls out smart phones I'd wager that's not their intent.

>2. Using it as a navigational aid. If I'm not too sure where I'm going I'll often use either Google or Apple Maps to set up directions before I start walking. I'll then put the phone in my pocket and just pull it out from time to time to check I'm still heading in the right direction.

So be respectful and step out of the flow of foot traffic to check it? They didn't say you couldn't use your smartphone in public, they said not to do it while you're walking. I'm sure they got sick of idiots either running into other people or walking into traffic with their faces glued to their phones. Can't say I blame them.

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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Seems like it was only in force for a day, and carried no penalties. Also seems like it was aimed at people who are looking at their smartphones primarily (i.e. playing Pokémon GO). I don't think they were looking to cure the menace of 歩きスマホ in the stroke of a pen, but rather wanted awareness of the issues of being engaged primarily with your phone rather than your environment. https://www.asahi.com/articles/ASN71728…

> not sure if this is just formal language, or there is some important distinction between 注視 and 見て here.

Actually 注視 is as well the word that is used in the law that forbids people from watching the infotainment screen of a car while driving. 注視 means that you are looking at something, while exclusively concentrating your mind on this specific thing, not being aware of your surroundings.

Source:

Non-native Japanese speaker here, having lived in Japan for quite some time, and who took his driving license in Japan.

注視 definition in a Japanese dictionary: https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/word/%E6%B3%A8%E8%A6%96/

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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In London, they used to have a prohibition against absent-mindedly using your phone while walking enforced by privateer motorcyclists who would confiscate your phone.

In New York the worst that is likely to happen is getting shouldered out of the way or yelled at. I'm sure the occasional swipe happens but I think it's fairly rare.

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For smartphones!? I can only imagine that being more hazardous. Do you notice how we negotiate paths when we are walking? body language, with particular emphasis on the position of the head and eyes. Try this experiment: as you walk towards someone without a clear path to their left or right - walk with intent to go slightly one side with your eyes/head slightly to the other, usually your intent comes across far more…

I'm sure I'm showing my age when I say that I really don't like walking in cities (or anywhere really) with ear buds/headphones in. It's too much isolation from the environment and I'm just not comfortable with it. I imagine that's a minority option though and many will claim that the isolation really isn't a problem with the right earpieces. But I can only speak to how I personally feel.

Transparency mode works well on Airpods pro but I never walk around busy streets with both earbuds in. I strongly recommend only using one and listening to audio books or podcasts

Re: Yamato becomes Japan's first city to 'ban' use of phones while walking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly that tradition is alive and well. Angel is a particular hot spot for it

I still remember getting my phone swiped on the sidewalk across from my favorite restaurant on Chapel Market. (There are many words I've adopted since moving here. "Pavement" is not one of them.")

Anecdotally, for some reason, random swiping and lifting of electronics, laptops, etc. seems more prevalent in Europe than in the US. Whenever I've heard of a colleague's laptop of whatever being lifted at dinner, it's always Barcelona, Amsterdam, Brussels, etc. rather than San Francisco or New York City. I'm sure it happens in those places too but it seems less common.
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