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Re: China has passed a national security law for Hong Kong

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boomboomsubban wrote: post #190
hkmaxpro wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent comment compared the US to HK, so did I. Now I just focus on NYPD: NYPD charged an officer for using a chokehold. [1] No officer was charged in HK after the year long protests for their misconducts and brutality. Side note: Numerous HK protesters were also victims of sexual harassment or sexual violence during arrest or detention. A 19-year-old girl was gangraped by police officers in a police station and…

>Any similar incident in NYC? Yes https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-...

The NYC cops had to resign. Hong Kong cops who gangraped the girl are still at work and may keep harassing others. Their names were also not revealed, so when they switch jobs in the future they will be clean.

Anna Chambers wasn’t threatened with the being arrested for “making false statements” and can still live in New York. The Hong Kong victim (who got pregnant and had to undergo an abortion) had to flee to Taiwan for her own safety.

US cops commit a crime and get away with minimal punishment. HK cops commit a crime and the victims get arrested.

Another example: the boy shot by live rounds by the cop in this video [1] was charged for attempted robbery and obstructing the police [2], even though the event was triggered by poor policing according to an experienced Australian officer [3].

See the difference?

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm_s0fm4hH0

[2] https://www.thestandnews.com/society/%E8%A5%BF%E7%81%A3%E6%B... (in Chinese)

[3] https://twitter.com/JeromeTaylor/status/1194074222768771072

Re: China has passed a national security law for Hong Kong

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hkmaxpro wrote: post #191
boomboomsubban wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Any similar incident in NYC? Yes https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-...

The NYC cops had to resign. Hong Kong cops who gangraped the girl are still at work and may keep harassing others. Their names were also not revealed, so when they switch jobs in the future they will be clean. Anna Chambers wasn’t threatened with the being arrested for “making false statements” and can still live in New York. The Hong Kong victim (who got pregnant and had to undergo an abortion) had to flee to Taiwan…

The NYC officers action wasn't even considered a crime, it was that case that finally forced a law change stating people in custody can't consent. Their names being released isn't much of an issue, one of them shares a name with Moby.

Anna Chambers may not have been threatened with arrest, but her name was dragged through the mud by the tabloids, and is likely still at risk from police retribution.

The two are not identical, but the differences do not give any moral high ground to the US.

US cops committing a crime and arresting the victim is also commonplace. Search for any instance of planting evidence or any of a score of incidents from these protests.

Re: China has passed a national security law for Hong Kong

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Post by hkmaxpro »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #192
hkmaxpro wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYC cops had to resign. Hong Kong cops who gangraped the girl are still at work and may keep harassing others. Their names were also not revealed, so when they switch jobs in the future they will be clean. Anna Chambers wasn’t threatened with the being arrested for “making false statements” and can still live in New York. The Hong Kong victim (who got pregnant and had to undergo an abortion) had to flee to Taiwan…

The NYC officers action wasn't even considered a crime, it was that case that finally forced a law change stating people in custody can't consent. Their names being released isn't much of an issue, one of them shares a name with Moby. Anna Chambers may not have been threatened with arrest, but her name was dragged through the mud by the tabloids, and is likely still at risk from police retribution. The two are not id…

Planting evidence may mean a few cops are corrupted and lenient punishment isn’t enough.

Threat of arrest from Police Chief and repeated bogus charges from Department of Justice to defend police crimes mean a totally broken system. That’s another level.

Re: China has passed a national security law for Hong Kong

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Post by boomboomsubban »

hkmaxpro wrote: post #193
boomboomsubban wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYC officers action wasn't even considered a crime, it was that case that finally forced a law change stating people in custody can't consent. Their names being released isn't much of an issue, one of them shares a name with Moby. Anna Chambers may not have been threatened with arrest, but her name was dragged through the mud by the tabloids, and is likely still at risk from police retribution. The two are not id…

Planting evidence may mean a few cops are corrupted and lenient punishment isn’t enough. Threat of arrest from Police Chief and repeated bogus charges from Department of Justice to defend police crimes mean a totally broken system. That’s another level.

There's the Adrian Schoolcraft incident, where a whistleblower was forcibly institutionalized. Allegedly the commissioner was involved in the incident. I'm still not seeing them at different levels.

Re: China has passed a national security law for Hong Kong

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Post by hkmaxpro »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #194
hkmaxpro wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Planting evidence may mean a few cops are corrupted and lenient punishment isn’t enough. Threat of arrest from Police Chief and repeated bogus charges from Department of Justice to defend police crimes mean a totally broken system. That’s another level.

There's the Adrian Schoolcraft incident, where a whistleblower was forcibly institutionalized. Allegedly the commissioner was involved in the incident. I'm still not seeing them at different levels.

From Wikipedia on Adrian Schoolcraft:

> Both of Schoolcraft's claims were settled in 2015, with him receiving $600,000 for the NYPD portion of the lawsuit

At least US has a healthy justice system as the last line of defense.

The HK justice system is compromised. There is an injunction that forbids anyone to reveal police officers and their family members’ information, in the name of fighting against doxxing. For some time, the media couldn’t reveal the name of any cops, even if they were being investigated for their own crime and appear in court (now allowed). [0]

The drug trafficking charge against the daughter of a cop was recently dismissed by the Department of Justice, as if qualified immunity extends to cop’s family members. [1]

The justice system was eroded further by the National Security law. A pro-Beijing legislator recently claimed that media may violate the law by covering police brutality. [2]

Even before the law was passed, two journalists were charged for “rioting” and may face 10-year imprisonment for covering protestors’ storming of the Legislative Council last year. [3]

Until US has a similarly broken justice system that goes after the media to hide police brutality, it can never match HK.

[0] https://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/03_police_message/iio_1957....

[1] https://news.mingpao.com/ins/%E6%B8%AF%E8%81%9E/article/2020... (in Chinese)

[2] https://hk.appledaily.com/local/20200702/T4XFP6NPMN6FYXZMNJZ... (in Chinese, paywalled)

[3] https://news.mingpao.com/ins/%E6%B8%AF%E8%81%9E/article/2020... (in Chinese)

Re: China has passed a national security law for Hong Kong

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Post by dang »

yung0 wrote: post #136
Teknoman117 wrote: post #32

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I hope we (the US) can clean up our act so we can go back to having at least some credibility in the world again. (other than just being rich and having a lot of guns) I'd love for us to be worthy of the praise we get from some places. I can't say that I've been particularly "proud" to say that I'm an American when I started travelling abroad a few years ago. Hard for people to miss though, I sound like a stereotypic…

"at least some credibility in the world again." Might have to go back about 80 years.

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