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Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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Everyone should regularly be reminded that Google was caught paying professors to publish papers "friendly" to Google.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/paying-professors-inside-google...

Convincing the public that they are correct is how Google normalized the idea of sharing private information without oversight.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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> Apple engineers also said last week the company will bolster a free Apple-made tool that uses anonymous, aggregated data to measure whether advertising campaigns are working and that will not trigger the pop-up. > “Because it’s engineered to not track users, there’s no need to request permission to track,” Brandon Van Ryswyk, an Apple privacy engineer, said in a video session explaining the measurement tool to developers.

There it is. Unless there’s a process that other companies can follow to certify that their solutions don’t track users and get same treatment, then in the end it’s about Apple trying to force themselves as player in the ads business.

It’s well known playbook as they’re similarly forcing themselves into identity business, with new logging requirements.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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Sounds like a lovely feature. Who are these groups going to complain to and how on earth how are they going to frame it lol.

Given the tobacco industry fought to have warnings and packaging restrictions upon their products, I'm sure they created a whole play-book of things to try, though note that they eventually failed. Whilst applications are not going to give you cancer, you could fairly equate the analogy within the digital World and your personal details and digital persona being eroded away via cancerous applications.

Gets down to giving the consumer a fair and informed choice, so however they frame this - I'm sure it will only serve Apple well. Indeed, any EU investigations into Apple would probably see this move in good light and with the competition contrasting it in a different light, I don't think Apple could of asked for anything better to stash into any legal war chest with the EU when it comes to showing they are good guys and looking after consumers better than others - least that is how they can frame it.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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> Apple engineers also said last week the company will bolster a free Apple-made tool that uses anonymous, aggregated data to measure whether advertising campaigns are working and that will not trigger the pop-up. > “Because it’s engineered to not track users, there’s no need to request permission to track,” Brandon Van Ryswyk, an Apple privacy engineer, said in a video session explaining the measurement tool to deve…

Are they moving into ads as the hardware business dries up for them? In my personal experience, many people don't replace their phones as often as they did, say, 10 years ago. A similar story played out earlier with laptops. There's no obvious new hardware category for Apple to pivot into so maybe software is their next play.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference being agency. You intend to open a bank account, buy a car, etc. “you“ [for the majority definition of ‘you’] had no idea that you were being secretly tracked, and (clutches pearls) you might even object to that. This is lifting the stone that’s been lying in the grass for the last decade or so, and watching all the creepy-crawlers scurry away out of the light, desperate to find somewhere to hide thems…

100%. And I love the fact that with Apple that agency slowly moves back to me - the ad industry can disappear overnight, and I don’t think life would get worse without it.

>the ad industry can disappear overnight, and I don’t think life would get worse without it

If you're concerned about extreme materialism and the effect it has on the environment and mental health, then it seems life would not get worse, it would get better.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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> Apple engineers also said last week the company will bolster a free Apple-made tool that uses anonymous, aggregated data to measure whether advertising campaigns are working and that will not trigger the pop-up. > “Because it’s engineered to not track users, there’s no need to request permission to track,” Brandon Van Ryswyk, an Apple privacy engineer, said in a video session explaining the measurement tool to deve…

Are they moving into ads as the hardware business dries up for them? In my personal experience, many people don't replace their phones as often as they did, say, 10 years ago. A similar story played out earlier with laptops. There's no obvious new hardware category for Apple to pivot into so maybe software is their next play.

Not software but services.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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I know how unlikely it would have been, but I wish Apple just dropped this out of nowhere, because with this delay all the user tracking platforms will now just store the id they can currently access somewhere locally (if they aren't already) and keep using it going forward.

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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> Apple engineers also said last week the company will bolster a free Apple-made tool that uses anonymous, aggregated data to measure whether advertising campaigns are working and that will not trigger the pop-up. > “Because it’s engineered to not track users, there’s no need to request permission to track,” Brandon Van Ryswyk, an Apple privacy engineer, said in a video session explaining the measurement tool to deve…

Are they moving into ads as the hardware business dries up for them? In my personal experience, many people don't replace their phones as often as they did, say, 10 years ago. A similar story played out earlier with laptops. There's no obvious new hardware category for Apple to pivot into so maybe software is their next play.

saying their hardware business is "drying up" is some pretty extreme hyperbole

Re: Google-backed groups criticize Apple's new warnings on user tracking

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> Sixteen marketing associations, some of which are backed by Facebook Inc (FB.O) and Alphabet Inc’s (GOOGL.O) Google, faulted Apple for not adhering to an ad-industry system for seeking user consent under European privacy rules. How did this turn into "Google-backed groups"?! Where's Facebook in the title? Is there no attempt at unbiased reporting anymore?

The reporting is just fine, since it discloses both groups. The title is click-bait, but that’s the reality of the news/youtube/etc. industry if you want views. It would have been equally click-baity if the title had said “Facebook-backed groups”, yet equally false (and true). There’s also ad agencies not backed by Facebook or Google, but they’re not in the title either.

> There’s also ad agencies not backed by Facebook or Google, but they’re not in the title either.

Yes, and this is why the reporting is dishonest - it's feels like it's there to smear one company in the title instead of actually disclosing to us who the people are.

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