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Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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"It's shameful that we - as cartographers of the world - don't take enough interest to even know where they are. People are living and dying without appearing on any database." I know. Context. Context . There's nothing wrong with the above, with last sentence in context. But that last sentence makes me cringe, these days. The thought! The very thought that a human being may be anonymous, not counted, not known, not…

Don't write posts like this - it has nothing to do with the article. You know what they meant, you chose to reword it and then complain about the rewording. Now instead of discussing the article or the humanitarian crisis behind it, people (like me) have to read and respond to you.

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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> Google and Apple maps do not differentiate between a good road and a bad road - but that's so important They also don't differentiate some closed borders! I had an idea in mind to travel across the Arab Maghreb[0] (well excluding Libya for obvious reasons) after the COVID-19 situation start to get better. However, Google Maps said that I can drive car between Algeria and Morocco, which isn't the case[1]. I chose to…

There are all these technical solutions, but the following may lead to a better experience and more fun trip overall: Make a rough plan in advance, then as you get there, start asking around and follow the advice of locals: truck drivers, gas station operators, hostel receptionists, etc.

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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post #5

"It's shameful that we - as cartographers of the world - don't take enough interest to even know where they are. People are living and dying without appearing on any database." I know. Context. Context . There's nothing wrong with the above, with last sentence in context. But that last sentence makes me cringe, these days. The thought! The very thought that a human being may be anonymous, not counted, not known, not…

I think you're missing the point and purposefully misinterpreting this statement. Its not about tracking these people, its about allowing them to participate in today's world - from healthcare to mail.

To participate in today’s world you need to be tracked and all your stuff is under control. I think there are stories of natives being taken, visiting London and saying cool story bro no thanks. And going back. Actually, many Amish come back too.

And as far as data... yes ir is now CRACK to organizations.... the word USER has a drug meaning too, and it’s probably very appropriate. The GDPR and Cali rules are just the beginning of detox... E2E all the things is coming.

http://magarshak.com/blog/?p=169

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the point and purposefully misinterpreting this statement. Its not about tracking these people, its about allowing them to participate in today's world - from healthcare to mail.

There it is: the siren call of the proselytising do gooder. My advancements will succour thee and into the warm boosm of modernity embrace.

Another example of a virtue signaling disguised as criticism of virtue signaling.

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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post #5

"It's shameful that we - as cartographers of the world - don't take enough interest to even know where they are. People are living and dying without appearing on any database." I know. Context. Context . There's nothing wrong with the above, with last sentence in context. But that last sentence makes me cringe, these days. The thought! The very thought that a human being may be anonymous, not counted, not known, not…

Something I was amazed to see as still being a valid proof of birth is a family bible. Not everyone has their birth recorded via a government-issued birth certificate.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-app...

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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post #5

"It's shameful that we - as cartographers of the world - don't take enough interest to even know where they are. People are living and dying without appearing on any database." I know. Context. Context . There's nothing wrong with the above, with last sentence in context. But that last sentence makes me cringe, these days. The thought! The very thought that a human being may be anonymous, not counted, not known, not…

Exactly! I generally agree with the sentiment of the article, and see the importance for issues like healthcare, but that sentence seemed so wrong to me. "People are living and dying without appearing on any database." Isn't this, like, a good thing? Now on the other side, of course this is the definition of a first world problem, but not having a say in whether or not I actually want to appear in big techs databases…

What big tech databases are you forced into just by living? Do you count banks and social security here?

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly! I generally agree with the sentiment of the article, and see the importance for issues like healthcare, but that sentence seemed so wrong to me. "People are living and dying without appearing on any database." Isn't this, like, a good thing? Now on the other side, of course this is the definition of a first world problem, but not having a say in whether or not I actually want to appear in big techs databases…

What big tech databases are you forced into just by living? Do you count banks and social security here?

Facebook tracking people who never sign up for an account with them. Don't be dense, big tech does make an effort to track people who don't want to be tracked.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17254312/facebook-shadow-profi...

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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post #5

"It's shameful that we - as cartographers of the world - don't take enough interest to even know where they are. People are living and dying without appearing on any database." I know. Context. Context . There's nothing wrong with the above, with last sentence in context. But that last sentence makes me cringe, these days. The thought! The very thought that a human being may be anonymous, not counted, not known, not…

Even just from the blurb, a more charitable interpretation is simply cataloguing locations and understanding cultures.

Re: Finding the 'invisible' millions who are not on maps

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post #21
post #5

"It's shameful that we - as cartographers of the world - don't take enough interest to even know where they are. People are living and dying without appearing on any database." I know. Context. Context . There's nothing wrong with the above, with last sentence in context. But that last sentence makes me cringe, these days. The thought! The very thought that a human being may be anonymous, not counted, not known, not…

Don't write posts like this - it has nothing to do with the article. You know what they meant, you chose to reword it and then complain about the rewording. Now instead of discussing the article or the humanitarian crisis behind it, people (like me) have to read and respond to you. Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good f…

“He says in today's digital society, not being on a map is akin to being invisible. “

As someone who enjoys being invisible I liked their comment very much and don’t find it out of context here at all.

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