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EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by baybal2 »

Answerawake wrote: post #41
baybal2 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heavily subsidised gulf carriers (many of which were founded by ex-PIA cadres...) have ate the lunch of the few Pakistani private carriers. PIA used to be nation's pride from its better days, so it's politically hard to rectify it when people with statist sentiment now run the establishment. Just like Pakrail, and PSM, PIA will be kept afloat, and safe away from privatisation. Khan's administration took down Sharif,…

Just out of curiosity. How has Kahn done in your opinion. I don't follow the news too much but I am curious. It just seems like with Pakistan it is impossible to get an objective unbiased opinion anywhere of how things are really going.

> Just out of curiosity. How has Kahn done in your opinion.

Mixed feelings. He cleaned up the state... a bit. People rightfully raise his, and his officers' lacklustre execution skills. Just like two previous establishments, Khan too bogged down in networks of local elites, and old money people with whom he did horsetrading in order for PTI to come to power. At least, unlike the previous leaders, he recognises it as a problem.

He came to power on the promise of undoing the system of clan elites dominating the country, but that's kind of hard to do when your own lieutenants, and backers are made of the same elites...

Pakistan is effectively split in between three huge ethnocentric elites, Sindhi/Seraiki Bhutto dynasty, Punjabi Sharif, and Pathan Khan. Pathan elites were prominent with military, hence Khan's coming to power. And there is a strong statist culture, where state companies used to provide the most lucrative jobs in the country. And there is a culture where people believe that being made a boss is a fully legitimate entitlement to run a state company/ministry/corporate unit like a family business, and there is nothing wrong with that.

A huge generational struggle is happening with people who want to end it vs. ones who don't.

The a massive brain drain that Pakistan experienced after Zia's coup, and mass immigration of anybody of talent will take years to reverse, and undo the negative selection effect.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

goodcanadian wrote: post #46
square_usual wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was awful to read. The control tower repeatedly warned them about their trajectory, and even advised them to discontinue the approach. I can't even imagine how awful it must've been to those aboard who placed their trust in the pilots.

In my opinion, ATC is also culpable (though much less so). They could have and should have ordered a go around, but instead, they re-cleared the airplane to land.

The final authority in flying an airplane safely is always in the hands of the pilot. The pilot is always responsible. ATC may not have all the information, not know specifics of the aircraft or this specific flight. It is just not practical to have procedures where the ATC is the final authority for every single flight, with all the various different airplanes, so the pilot always is.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by redis_mlc »

redis_mlc wrote: post #3
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #2

good commentary on blancolirio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62sSwC4t_g as usual

I watched the video - fair coverage. The importance of being on top of licenses and other paperwork is that if you can't get the paperwork right, how can you get the rest right? Some other notables: - India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan - South Korea has CRM and sim evaluation issues with ex-military crews (resulting in the SFO crash) - SFO has struggled with ILS maintenance in the past decade. (For…

2011:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Nose-wheel-landing...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-natio...

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Two-more-pilots-la...

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by spuz »

godsplan1 wrote: post #31
netsharc wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression the last sentence is written (and you copy-pasted) with a bit of sneer towards their religion; in case it is, how many videos have we seen of Americans watching disaster unfolding and repeatedly saying "Ehmagerd, ehmagerd, ehmagerd"? Your account is 2 minutes older than this post... do we need to worry?

I am not sure where is this coming from ... I reported the statement as it is .. the thing to worry about is this : The crew was overconfident and not focussed.

But how does the captain's last words tell you anything about his focus or confidence? There seems to be no reason to quote those words.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by _-___________-_ »

goodcanadian wrote: post #46
square_usual wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was awful to read. The control tower repeatedly warned them about their trajectory, and even advised them to discontinue the approach. I can't even imagine how awful it must've been to those aboard who placed their trust in the pilots.

In my opinion, ATC is also culpable (though much less so). They could have and should have ordered a go around, but instead, they re-cleared the airplane to land.

"ATC should have ordered a go around" implies some authority that is not there. The commander (captain) has final responsibility for the safety of the aircraft. ATC effectively has an advisory role; they issue instructions rather than orders and the commander can ignore any ATC instruction if they believe it to be necessary for the safe performance of the flight.

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Post by oska »

andybak wrote: post #40
godsplan1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure where is this coming from ... I reported the statement as it is .. the thing to worry about is this : The crew was overconfident and not focussed.

You can see how that might be seen as a dog whistle.

The concept of 'dog whistling' is bogus.

You can only hold people accountable for what they say, not what you think they might be 'signalling'.

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Post by krisoft »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #72
goodcanadian wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, ATC is also culpable (though much less so). They could have and should have ordered a go around, but instead, they re-cleared the airplane to land.

The final authority in flying an airplane safely is always in the hands of the pilot. The pilot is always responsible. ATC may not have all the information, not know specifics of the aircraft or this specific flight. It is just not practical to have procedures where the ATC is the final authority for every single flight, with all the various different airplanes, so the pilot always is.

Exactly as Erlich_Bachman wrote. Also want to add one more reason: The pilot's neck is always on the line, while the ATC usually won't get physically hurt. The incentives are better aligned if it's the pilot who has final authority.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by [deleted] »

newsbinator wrote: post #68
Jdam wrote: post #60

If this doesn't apply to the UK as well, it is not enough. I would like to see a flyover ban as well, as PIA flies through the EU to the UK. I'm following the aviation industry closely and there are plenty of reports every now and then where PIA flights don't respond on radio anymore, triggering fighter intercepts. It is assumed that those pilots are oftentimes either sleeping or just don't bother because of their eg…

> triggering fighter intercepts Also this costs tax money. Why spend the money on intercepts when you can ban the people causing the problems?

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Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by celticninja »

spuz wrote: post #74
godsplan1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure where is this coming from ... I reported the statement as it is .. the thing to worry about is this : The crew was overconfident and not focussed.

But how does the captain's last words tell you anything about his focus or confidence? There seems to be no reason to quote those words.

I think you are being overly sensitive. He picked a quote from the article.

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Post by mrlonglong »

ohlookabird wrote: post #26
Svip wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state. Denmark is apparently far more willing to let it slide, and anyone with a US driving licence can get it converted to a Danish one with just a doctor's approval. Although, in Denmark, their US licence is only valid for a month. But you don't have to retake the test. I am frankly a bit puzzled by this decision.

This seems to be the current list of rules for non EU countries and US states to transfer the driver's license to the German one after six months (linked by ADAC): https://res.cloudinary.com/adacde/image/upload/v1572337531/A... After having lived 5+ years in Virginia in the US and knowing multiple people that got their driver's license in Virginia, I am really surprised that apparently people with Virginia issued dri…

Yes that has been my experience living in VA for a year, having come in on H1B visa from the UK. The driving test was a joke. Even back during the 90s, in the UK driving tests were much more difficult.
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