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Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by newyankee » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:34 AM UTC

godzillabrennus wrote: post #7

redis_mlc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched the video - fair coverage. The importance of being on top of licenses and other paperwork is that if you can't get the paperwork right, how can you get the rest right? Some other notables: - India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan - South Korea has CRM and sim evaluation issues with ex-military crews (resulting in the SFO crash) - SFO has struggled with ILS maintenance in the past decade. (For…

Philippines still has the cash fees/bribes scam for all when you fly out of Clark. After you pay for the ticket, and checking you bag, you have various cash fees to pay as you get through security. Woe is you if you didn’t bring cash as you’ll be unable to board unless you pull cash out when there.

What do you mean ? This is run by the employees or someone else. I used to bemoan the corruption in India but at least recently a lot of things have reduced. e.g. When you came back from an international flight, 'agents' would court you and suggesting skipping customs for a bribe (they did the dirty work), this has been mostly eliminated at least in Mumbai airport.

I cannot imagine what a sour taste it will leave if you cannot board a plane. In any case what reason will the authorities have to detain you ? I am assuming you are talking about some official fees and not bribes.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by Svip » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:40 AM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #8

pycbr1 wrote: post #4

Hope the world never finds out how we get our driver's license.

They know already. A perennial topic of annoyance for US immigrants in Sweden is that their US licence is only valid for a year here, then they have to retake their test (unlike immigrants from the EU who get to convert theirs automatically).

Germany restricts US driving licences depending on issuing US state.

Denmark is apparently far more willing to let it slide, and anyone with a US driving licence can get it converted to a Danish one with just a doctor's approval. Although, in Denmark, their US licence is only valid for a month. But you don't have to retake the test. I am frankly a bit puzzled by this decision.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by pmalynin » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:40 AM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #8

pycbr1 wrote: post #4

Hope the world never finds out how we get our driver's license.

They know already. A perennial topic of annoyance for US immigrants in Sweden is that their US licence is only valid for a year here, then they have to retake their test (unlike immigrants from the EU who get to convert theirs automatically).

Same annoyance for any Canadian that moves down to California to live / work.

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Post by skocznymroczny » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:43 AM UTC

pycbr1 wrote: post #4

Hope the world never finds out how we get our driver's license.

When I speak to people from countries like Indonesia or Morocco, they act surprised when I mention things like "driver's exam" to them, because apparently in such countries most people obtain their driver's licenses by an "expediting fee" to a government official or a police officer.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by chetangole » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:44 AM UTC

redis_mlc wrote: post #3

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #2

good commentary on blancolirio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62sSwC4t_g as usual

I watched the video - fair coverage. The importance of being on top of licenses and other paperwork is that if you can't get the paperwork right, how can you get the rest right? Some other notables: - India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan - South Korea has CRM and sim evaluation issues with ex-military crews (resulting in the SFO crash) - SFO has struggled with ILS maintenance in the past decade. (For…

what is the source of your statement - _"India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan"_

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Post by siddlv » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:50 AM UTC

redis_mlc wrote: post #3

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #2

good commentary on blancolirio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62sSwC4t_g as usual

I watched the video - fair coverage. The importance of being on top of licenses and other paperwork is that if you can't get the paperwork right, how can you get the rest right? Some other notables: - India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan - South Korea has CRM and sim evaluation issues with ex-military crews (resulting in the SFO crash) - SFO has struggled with ILS maintenance in the past decade. (For…

> India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan

Can you provide a source for this?

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by manojlds » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:55 AM UTC

chetangole wrote: post #15

redis_mlc wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I watched the video - fair coverage. The importance of being on top of licenses and other paperwork is that if you can't get the paperwork right, how can you get the rest right? Some other notables: - India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan - South Korea has CRM and sim evaluation issues with ex-military crews (resulting in the SFO crash) - SFO has struggled with ILS maintenance in the past decade. (For…

what is the source of your statement - _"India has identical fake license problems as Pakistan"_

I only see news articles from 2011.

Re: EU safety agency suspends Pakistani airlines' European authorisation

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Post by square_usual » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 6:57 AM UTC

_-___________-_ wrote: post #10

The article makes only a passing reference to the recent crash, but serious pilot error ("incompetence on an astonishing scale" might be a better phrase than "error") appears to be a major factor in it. http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0

This was awful to read. The control tower repeatedly warned them about their trajectory, and even advised them to discontinue the approach. I can't even imagine how awful it must've been to those aboard who placed their trust in the pilots.

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Post by vinay427 » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 7:05 AM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #8

pycbr1 wrote: post #4

Hope the world never finds out how we get our driver's license.

They know already. A perennial topic of annoyance for US immigrants in Sweden is that their US licence is only valid for a year here, then they have to retake their test (unlike immigrants from the EU who get to convert theirs automatically).

I think the OP was referring to Pakistan. More problematic in this respect are the UN accords that allow people from virtually any country to drive while visiting any other country, so you can have people from poorly licensed countries driving in a place where they're unfamiliar with the road system, language, etc.

The EU/EEA reciprocity is due to EU regulations, not the assumption that every EU country has better driving license standards than every other country.

In Switzerland, for instance, which is not part of the EU/EEA but has a variety of bilateral agreements, EU/EEA licenses and US licenses can and must be exchanged within one year (and these countries among a few others are treated equally), and there are no special provisions for EU/EEA license holders to keep their original license, etc.

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Post by tialaramex » Fri, Jul 03, 2020, 7:08 AM UTC

dmurray wrote: post #9

nitrogen wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

far worse means to judge separation than the controller Those cockpit windows don't seem like they provide the best view... Out of curiosity, do civilian aircraft have onboard radar? If so, what directions can it see (up/down/front/back/sides)?

Yes, it's the TCAS. It sees in all directions. It's secondary radar so it only sees planes with a transponder, but that's usually all of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_sy...

> It's secondary radar so it only sees planes with a transponder, but that's usually all of them.

In particular we're talking here about aeroplanes on an approach to a major airport (if they aren't on approach then by definition they aren't choosing between ILS and a visual clearance, and if it isn't a major airport why are we trying to bunch them up more?).

All US major airports have a "Mode C veil" which means there's a regulation requiring aircraft near those airports to have transponders ("Mode C" is a transponder mode in which the aircraft reports its own assessment of its altitude based on air pressure as well as a four octal identifier).