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Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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If you cut it off, you get penalized in Google Merchant Tools, and possibly have your product feed suppressed, which will dramatically impact your search visibility for both text and product searches. It can also impact your Google Ads if you link that with your product feed, and more. So, effectively, no you cannot cut this bot off. To make it worse, the bot doesn't always follow the same pattern. Sometimes slightly…

It sounds like you interpreted malux85 suggestion as cutting the bot off from putting things in the cart altogether. What I understood is that, given it's recognizable by user agent, those carts can be marked as created by a bot to exclude it from statistics and reminder mails only.

Perhaps. Not everyone is lucky enough to have built their own ecommerce platform, so many people are at the whims of whatever tools Shopify, BigCommerce, 3dCart or others provide.

For this particular problem, none of those platforms can provide any assistance.

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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When and why did news cease being news and start being short stories and opinion? This entire article could have been cut down to the last few paragraphs and nothing of value would have been lost. Look at The New York Times in 1921 [0]. Generally the stories are factual and to the point. The entire front page seems to be pure news. There's very little storytelling here, at most there are a few timelines of events. Lo…

Because pure news are pretty much free today. So newspaper need to provide something else: analysis, opinions, etc. to be able to sell something.

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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The real problem with this is from the merchant side of things. This bot generates thousands of "Abandoned Carts" on one of our sites... thousands... We send cart reminders to Abandoned Carts after a few days, sometimes with a coupon offer to complete checkout. This bot is responsible for thousands of bounced emails each week, which impacts our metrics with Mandrill among other things. Maybe we shouldn't care, but it…

>We send cart reminders to Abandoned Carts after a few days, sometimes with a coupon offer to complete checkout. I consider this spammy behaviour, and mark the emails as such. I can only hope this discourages such practices in the future.

It doesn't. If you mark it as Spam through most email programs, it's reported to the sender (Mandrill in our case) and Mandrill automatically black-lists your email address so we don't continue to send to someone that doesn't want the emails.

That's a win-win.

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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This bot is simply trying to get the final price (with tax and shipping) which is ridiculous because e-commerce storefronts should do that in the first place without going through the whole checkout process. I always have found that kind of shady but it's probably known to increase conversions. What I found interesting is that this an open attack vector for e-commerces. Multiple bots can hit a website and start addin…

>which is ridiculous because e-commerce storefronts should do that in the first place without going through the whole checkout process.

On top of the other reasons mentioned, the seller may have a contract with the manufacturer that covers a "minimum advertised price"

"The FTC says that the price displayed in a secure or encrypted shopping cart isn’t subject to MAP because it’s technically not advertising."

(https://www.thebalancesmb.com/what-is-minimum-advertised-pri...)

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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Not all shipping charges can be calculated ahead of time. For example, you may offer free shipping on orders over $50. You may charge $9.99 for the first item, $5.99 for each additional item. You may charge by weight of the whole order. You may have oversized items or packages that can be combined to reduce shipping charges. Some items may ship together as OTR Freight, while others can go via the local postal service…

that's true that the calculations can get complicated pretty quickly in ecommerce, but google probably has all the data it needs (origin zip, destination zip, likely carrier(s), possibly even the weight/size of each item) to provide a pretty good estimate in most cases. they could even calculate a range for [1 item per box, all items in 1 box]. the important bit is to present it as a separate line item (with grand to…

Google guessing seems like a terrible idea. That will just confuse the consumer when they go to purchase and find a different value, possibly creating a customer service problem for the vendor through no fault of their own.

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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When and why did news cease being news and start being short stories and opinion? This entire article could have been cut down to the last few paragraphs and nothing of value would have been lost. Look at The New York Times in 1921 [0]. Generally the stories are factual and to the point. The entire front page seems to be pure news. There's very little storytelling here, at most there are a few timelines of events. Lo…

Because pure news are pretty much free today. So newspaper need to provide something else: analysis, opinions, etc. to be able to sell something.

Not to mention we have metrics which tell us exactly what kind of reporting is most likely to have good reader engagement (and thus higher ad payouts). Most news sources are just giving us exactly what the majority of people want.

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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How does that change by having the bot add items to the cart? You haven't solved anything You are still left with the same scenario as if the store listed the individual shipping price on the front page Google isn't going to know what other items you _might_ add to show you a "real" shipping cost

I’d assume parent’s point is regarding the “which is ridiculous because e-commerce storefronts should do that in the first place without going through the whole checkout process.” part. There’s a lot of legitimate case were showing shipping price upfront is just not doable or valuable to the customer. BTW there are a surprising amount of shops for specialized goods that won’t even list the final price at the end. The…

Even the Y2K-style ecommerce stores usually had a separate S&H section for some guidance. These days the H part (handling) seems less in vogue (perhaps still common on ebay), while S part is pretty predictable if not free.

It's the T (taxes) part that may be still a tipping point these days, but it's just between vendor and your state,

Re: A Google bot scrapes pricing info by adding items to carts

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When and why did news cease being news and start being short stories and opinion? This entire article could have been cut down to the last few paragraphs and nothing of value would have been lost. Look at The New York Times in 1921 [0]. Generally the stories are factual and to the point. The entire front page seems to be pure news. There's very little storytelling here, at most there are a few timelines of events. Lo…

I view this phenomenon as a sort of sociological entropy. Anything bad that can happen will happen if the people tolerate it. Same with shitty politicians, encroaching of rights, etc. Its all just a matter of time.
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