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Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by ipnon » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

ajzinsbwbs wrote: post #75

ipnon wrote: post #33

The primary impediment to combating child sexual abuse material is the scarcity of law enforcement agents relative to the scale of offenders.[0] Law enforcement agencies are already at the limit of how many offenders they can prosecute because offenders are primarily detected by agents who are posing as offenders or by agents who are posing as victims. The solution proposed by the researchers in the referenced docume…

That scares me. If that entrapment-at-scale is legal, it could be deployed to throw huge numbers of people in jail for buying drugs or supporting terrorism.

Note that the AI is used to automate the work of the law enforcement agents, not the work of the judges and juries. The AI collects evidence that prosecutors use to build cases against defendants. The defendants still have the right to public trial in a court of law in front of a human judge and human jury.

edit: It seems there is a misunderstanding of what the AI does. It simulates human traffickers in text or video chat in order to find people who try to exchange money with them, and it simulates children in text and video chat in order to find people who try to groom them. It does not simulate child sexual abuse material or proliferate child sexual abuse material.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by coldpie » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

qppo wrote: post #40

To Californians, Dianne Feinstein is one of the cosponsors of the bill in the Senate. It really grinds my gears seeing our senior leadership from California take actions that directly harm our interests, both towards our peoples' freedom and our businesses. I feel vindicated for voting against her in 2018, because I thought she'd be out of touch with our interests as a state.

Feinstein is easily the worst Democratic Senator. It's absolutely bonkers to me that a state where tech is as important as it is keeps re-electing her. Surely there's someone out there who wants to primary her?

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by programmarchy » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:41 PM UTC

Anyone have a template for opposing this bill?

Needs elaboration, but I see two major points:

1. It puts our national security at risk. It opens up American cyber-security at large to nation states like China, Russia, and Iran, as well as more sophisticated terrorist groups.

2. It hampers innovation and competition in the tech industry. Compliance will increase costs, especially for startups, especially in a Covid19 environment, and the global market will not be able trust the cyber-security of American networks.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by JoshTriplett » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

granitDev wrote: post #90

There's another good reason for term limits, how many of these VERY OLD people don't even understand what encryption is and couldn't possibly understand the concept that this is like passing a law demanding that you leave your house key at the local police station, unless you let them search your house every second Tuesday.

Analogies to physical security are not helpful, because they're easily countered with "but you support someone getting into a house with a warrant, right?". Encryption is nothing like physical security. There is no analogue to busting down a door. Correctly built encryption has no way to get in without the key; anything else has fundamental, unfixable security flaws.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by techntoke » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC

gabrielfv wrote: post #92

ollo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. As a european, I don't see any party that actually have european people's interest in mind.

> As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. As a human, I don't see any party that actually have regular people's interest in mind.

Apparently caring about people more than money is a bad thing.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by coldpie » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:44 PM UTC

granitDev wrote: post #95

cevn wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe you. I've never understood how she garners so much support in progressive Cali of all places.

She's got money and power and a D in front of her name, she'll get voted in every time in California. Vote Blue no matter who, remember?

> Vote Blue no matter who, remember?

I mean, yes. Feinstein is better than the alternative in the General. The Primaries are the way to get rid of her, I can't believe no one has booted her out yet.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by seph-reed » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:46 PM UTC

blintz wrote: post #3

I cannot believe that the one thing we have bipartisan consensus on is destroying strong encryption. I guess I’m biased since this is essentially my whole livelihood, but this is crazy, right?

> we have bipartisan consensus

> we

"It's a big club and you ain't in it" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by luc_ » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:46 PM UTC

I trust the Mozilla foundation has good reason to oppose this, as likely do I, but I'm sad to not see a "learn more" button on this page to add your name to some opposition list. I'd certainly like to learn more about what I'm signing up against, and I can do that myself, but I feel as if they would also have a responsibility to further educate if they're asking for my support.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by pphysch » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:47 PM UTC

gabrielfv wrote: post #92

ollo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. As a european, I don't see any party that actually have european people's interest in mind.

> As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. As a human, I don't see any party that actually have regular people's interest in mind.

Define "regular people's interest". American values? Health and security? There are governments that are pro-people (as opposed to pro-money) but they are generally not big global players, or if they are, they are designated Enemies of the West and it is enormously politically incorrect to discuss critically about them.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by techntoke » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:48 PM UTC

sailfast wrote: post #16

mikestew wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can run, and with that platform your opponent will conveniently turn it around into "my opponent supports child molestors and terrorists". Because if you think you'll simply walk up to the podium talking about something most folks could not give a working definition for, boy, are you going to be in for a shock when your opponent "dumbs it down" for the audience. Which is how we end up with stuff like the EARN IT…

"My opponent supports the attorney general having access to your porn habits. I support your privacy" is a pretty straightforward simplified riposte to your above oversimplification.

The media will only show the perspective of their masters