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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Can_Not »

spamuel wrote: post #930
Can_Not wrote: post #882

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, I can't believe they took a non-neutral stance on extrajudicial murder of black people. Crazy stuff.

There are an endless number of causes one could "black out" for. But they just so happened to black out for the one with a pressure campaign and mob backing, that has intertwined itself with American national political ambitions? The emotional blackmail of this movement will probably be its undoing.

Imagine feeling "emotionally blackmailed" into not supporting extrajudicial murder...

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by wooger »

Can_Not wrote: post #882
postphoned wrote: post #851

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Isn’t /r/politics completely one sided fake news to prop up the democrats??? /r/politics is how I imagine the "Two Minutes Hate" from 1984. A complete circle-jerk that has infested many of the main subreddits. /r/pics, /r/nextfuckinglevel, /r/publicfreakout are rather outposts of /r/politics these days. No wonder, when a small clique of politically aligned mods controls the major subreddits. Even /r/askhistorians jo…

Damn, I can't believe they took a non-neutral stance on extrajudicial murder of black people. Crazy stuff.

It is easy to support that stance. Or even perhaps just stopping extrajudicial murder by police as a whole.

Go look at the official BLM list of goals - they are advocating to abolish the police, end capitalism, abolish the western nuclear family & several other far left, badly thought out, unsupportable concepts.

Worse still, the same campaign has spread to the UK, unfiltered and unchanged, despite the fact that we have almost zero people killed by police outside of terrorist attacks, our police don't carry guns, and due to our government's austerity policies, they're woefully underfunded.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by kerkeslager »

bobthepanda wrote: post #921
kerkeslager wrote: post #893

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Is that worth noting? Why? Change isn't a popularity contest. If King changed views on black voting rights from 20% for to 40% for, that's a pretty massive change.

Part of what makes authoritarian behavior so dangerous is that they don't need a majority to cause a lot of damage, just a very sizable group. You want to stamp it out quickly before a lot of damage is done, and "fighting fascism with the truth" generally takes time on a generational scale. It is worth noting that the election before Hitler was made chancellor, the Nazis actually lost 14% of their seats in the Reichs…

You're playing very fast and loose with terminology here. Fascism is a form of authoritarianism, but not all authoritarianism is fascism. Censorship is authoritarian. We were talking about fascists before you joined the conversation, but if you're going to swap the terms here and start worrying about authoritarianism, neither side is innocent there, and taking a "stamp it out quickly" stance is inherently an authoritarian position, not an anti-authoritarian position.

> It is worth noting that the election before Hitler was made chancellor, the Nazis actually lost 14% of their seats in the Reichstag, yet they were still powerful enough to eventually come to power.

Yes, but that's a fairly useless fact if you don't have any explanation for why that happened.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by berkes »

monksy wrote: post #524
berkes wrote: post #429

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In addition, mastodon, and even the protocol, has a lot in place to mitigate targeted harassment by a community. Individual Instance blocks, where a user can block an entire instance are in place. Instance blocks on your instance, where an admin blocks another instance for all the users of that instance. And, community driven, blacklists where an admin can copy paste from. Even more interesting, is that some instance…

> if you don't block Gab, there are a lot of instances that don't want to talk to you. Modern day witch hunts. (I'm not defending gab, or promoting it) However, these guilt by association hunts are irritating.

That is one way of looking at it. But it really depends on the intention behind such a block.

The other way to look at it, just as valid, is for an admin to protect her(or his) "citizens", the people on her instance.

If you intended an instance to be a safe-haven, you don't want people being able to raise mobs to harass people on your instance. Hence, you want to block instances that allow such behaviour.

But, you also want to avoid accidental "retweets" (boosts), replies and whatnot to reach your instance. So you want a thick layer of insulation: not just blocking one "bad" instance, but blocking the instances that interact with that "bad" instance as well. There are probably technical means to get such an insulation, but neither Activity-Pub nor mastodon has these in place. So being liberal in blocks is a pragmatic means to keep your instance a really safe and happy place.

(Do note that you might not need such a safe place -I don't- but people with trauma's, insecurities, issues, or just a wish for a safe and happy place might. And it being federated allows for admins to create such a place. A place where you can be a furry-amongst furries, or a victim amongst a supporting community).

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by mitchdoogle »

blisseyGo wrote: post #525

From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on ha…

Is there another link? I just checked that page and did not see anything such as the line about "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority"

I supposed they might have changed it, which would be good to hear, since that wording is obviously misguided

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by mitchdoogle »

ThA0x2 wrote: post #669

They literally greenlit racism against Whites: "Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does…

Can't find any reference to the line about majority on their website

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Shorel »

monksy wrote: post #558
hhhhhhhjjjjjjju wrote: post #487

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I run a video game clan with a fairly active discord channel -- the stance I've taken is: there are no rules beyond: 1. nothing illegal (includes cheating at games) 2. no racism / homophobia / transphobia 3. no harassing other members 4. everyone has different beliefs and come from different parts of the world -- if you are offended, ask the offender to stop, otherwise see a mod so far there are around 50 people in t…

> includes cheating at games That's not illegal. It's just not permissible on the services that run the games. Also, it used to be a thing in video gaming. (Game genie) For some reason, we've given up to video game companies who try to dictate how people should enjoy a product that they purchase.

It's not about game companies. The companies actually don't care that much, they have sold the game, and spent our money already. If they ever react is just because of the pressure from gamers.

Also, it is not about cheating in your single player game. No one really cares about that. Want to enable god mode and insta-kill every baddie? Go for it.

Cheaters in online competitions simply ruin the game for other players. Cheaters destroy online gaming communities.

So of course, in online gaming communities, cheating is seen as one of the worst offences someone can commit.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by posterboy »

rmrfstar wrote: post #146
nullc wrote: post #28

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Not just hate you, but stalk, threaten and harass you. There are some people where even just saying-- as a moderator-- "Hey, can you chill out and at lease pretend to treat other posters with some respect" will trigger a full on war against you. There aren't many people like this, but it only takes a few because even a single obsessed person can spew a lot of hate.

It's really too bad that there are no scalable "proof of intellectual work" protocols for human interactions. I guess 3301 got things right with the Liber Primus.

I think don't expect intelectual work to work on reddit is very scalable for a start, or any faceless interface. There's a reason sciences still hold conferences, which should appear rather uneconomic if internet was a viable competitor. It was never meant to be thst, but many people seem to think so, effectively isolating themselves and becoming detached from reality.

This is just a random internet comment of course, so ymmv

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by blisseyGo »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #955
blisseyGo wrote: post #525

From Reddit: https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc... > Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. > While the rule on ha…

Is there another link? I just checked that page and did not see anything such as the line about "the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority" I supposed they might have changed it, which would be good to hear, since that wording is obviously misguided

Here's the archive of what it used to be as of yesterday:

http://archive.is/yB0zy

Seems like they removed it but the rules are written so vague that they will just interpret it however they like. They don't even follow their own rules.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ThA0x2 »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #956
ThA0x2 wrote: post #669

They literally greenlit racism against Whites: "Marginalized or vulnerable groups include, but are not limited to, groups based on their actual and perceived race, color, religion, national origin, ethnicity, immigration status, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, pregnancy, or disability. These include victims of a major violent event and their families. While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does…

Can't find any reference to the line about majority on their website

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hjdeo9/redd...
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