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Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #8

danboarder wrote: post #4

Where are my elected representatives that represent my privacy rights on bills like this? Maybe I need to run for office since I care about end2end encryption, free software, and the rights of free people and information to freely travel around the world...

You can run, and with that platform your opponent will conveniently turn it around into "my opponent supports child molestors and terrorists". Because if you think you'll simply walk up to the podium talking about something most folks could not give a working definition for, boy, are you going to be in for a shock when your opponent "dumbs it down" for the audience. Which is how we end up with stuff like the EARN IT…

> that one would reasonably think would be shot down immediately, but isn't.

EARN IT looks like a compromise compared to this: https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/blog/2020/06/there%E2%80%99s-n... which is I assume why it was pushed only a few days ago.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by mulmen » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #9

blintz wrote: post #3

I cannot believe that the one thing we have bipartisan consensus on is destroying strong encryption. I guess I’m biased since this is essentially my whole livelihood, but this is crazy, right?

We have bipartisan consensus[1] that tech companies have acted badly and that Section 230 should be repealed or significantly amended. I think EARN IT will probably kill Section 230, not strong encryption, so I think EARN IT is pretty great. Tech companies probably should be coming to the realization by now that it's only a matter of time (probably 4-8 years) before we close the 230 loophole: So if they're given a ch…

You seem to be misinformed about Section 230. This link provides a better description than I can.

Summary: there is no loophole.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200531/23325444617/hello...

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by ipnon » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

The primary impediment to combating child sexual abuse material is the scarcity of law enforcement agents relative to the scale of offenders.[0] Law enforcement agencies are already at the limit of how many offenders they can prosecute because offenders are primarily detected by agents who are posing as offenders or by agents who are posing as victims.

The solution proposed by the researchers in the referenced documentary is to create AI agents that can automate the work of posing as offenders or posing as victims. This solves the scaling problem of the law enforcement agencies.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCj1zNpKoM

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by darkarmani » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 5:59 PM UTC

chejazi wrote: post #14

Obviously this sucks as a proposal but... how do we stop the child porn?

A modest proposal would suggest killing all of the children. What did you have in mind?

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by danboarder » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:00 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #8

danboarder wrote: post #4

Where are my elected representatives that represent my privacy rights on bills like this? Maybe I need to run for office since I care about end2end encryption, free software, and the rights of free people and information to freely travel around the world...

You can run, and with that platform your opponent will conveniently turn it around into "my opponent supports child molestors and terrorists". Because if you think you'll simply walk up to the podium talking about something most folks could not give a working definition for, boy, are you going to be in for a shock when your opponent "dumbs it down" for the audience. Which is how we end up with stuff like the EARN IT…

In that case we need to provide working definitions advocating for privacy and information freedom that the average consumer can appreciate and support. I'm open to ideas. One approach is to explain that without private encrypted communications your information cannot be free: instead it will be monitored and censored by the many parties that believe we should not see or say one thing or another. Privacy enables freedom.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by djsumdog » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:00 PM UTC

mikestew wrote: post #8

danboarder wrote: post #4

Where are my elected representatives that represent my privacy rights on bills like this? Maybe I need to run for office since I care about end2end encryption, free software, and the rights of free people and information to freely travel around the world...

You can run, and with that platform your opponent will conveniently turn it around into "my opponent supports child molestors and terrorists". Because if you think you'll simply walk up to the podium talking about something most folks could not give a working definition for, boy, are you going to be in for a shock when your opponent "dumbs it down" for the audience. Which is how we end up with stuff like the EARN IT…

> my opponent supports child molestors

The ruling elite have a monopoly on this. They publicly opposite it via bills like this and use media giants to crush 'conspiracy theories' involving people like Epstein and all the people he was closely associated with in Washington and Hollywood.

I think if we actually got evidence and leaks on how bad child abuse within politicians are, Americans would be absolutely horrified by the straight up hypocrisy.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by blisterpeanuts » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:00 PM UTC

unreal6 wrote: post #17

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have bipartisan consensus[1] that tech companies have acted badly and that Section 230 should be repealed or significantly amended. I think EARN IT will probably kill Section 230, not strong encryption, so I think EARN IT is pretty great. Tech companies probably should be coming to the realization by now that it's only a matter of time (probably 4-8 years) before we close the 230 loophole: So if they're given a ch…

Can you clarify what you mean by the "230 Loophole"? Many believe that tech companies should be fully responsible for anything said on their platforms. If this were the case, I believe this would have an extraordinary chilling effect on speech.

There are already extraordinary chilling effects on speech -- try criticizing Black Lives Matter on any major social media, for example, and you will likely be censored, doxxed, and even receive death threats.

Up until now, major social media (FB, Twitter, Youtube etc.) have been free to suppress conservative voices in the name of opposing racism and white supremacists. The tech platforms have been shielded from lawsuits by 230. Once 230 is suspended or repealed, they will no longer be shielded from lawsuits.

As a result, someone gets doxxed, fired from his job, threatened with violence etc., he now has the wherewithal to go after the platform that facilitated the cancel mob.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:01 PM UTC

ipnon wrote: post #33

The primary impediment to combating child sexual abuse material is the scarcity of law enforcement agents relative to the scale of offenders.[0] Law enforcement agencies are already at the limit of how many offenders they can prosecute because offenders are primarily detected by agents who are posing as offenders or by agents who are posing as victims. The solution proposed by the researchers in the referenced docume…

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Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by djsumdog » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:02 PM UTC

the-dude wrote: post #29

linuxftw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like we needed to vote out the people that voted for the bailouts and the Iraq war. Politics keeps moving on. I'm still on the Iraq war. I'm not interested on any other issue until we solve that one. Edit: s/bailouts of/bailouts and/

What are "bailouts of the Iraq war" ?

Maybe OP means both the bailouts in 2008 plus the Iraq war in 2003? Or the fact that the US is still actively involve militarily in predator bombing seven nations?

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by qppo » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 6:04 PM UTC

To Californians, Dianne Feinstein is one of the cosponsors of the bill in the Senate. It really grinds my gears seeing our senior leadership from California take actions that directly harm our interests, both towards our peoples' freedom and our businesses.

I feel vindicated for voting against her in 2018, because I thought she'd be out of touch with our interests as a state.