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Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by ancarda »

wtn wrote: post #12
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, nsa mass surveillance and legalized torture were never repelled by any side. In fact, the patriot act has been prolongued 5 times, no matter the administration, and is still in effect. As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. Fighting for either seems so futile from here. Of course, we have similar problems as well so I'm not going to pretend I have a solution.

Some of the programs originally from the USA PATRIOT Act expired in March 2020.

Do you happen to know which ones?

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by freeqaz »

I took the opportunity to donate to Mozilla as well. I'd encourage you to do the same! They are one of the "good guys" on the internet and they need our support to stay alive.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by mschuster91 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #5
blintz wrote: post #3

I cannot believe that the one thing we have bipartisan consensus on is destroying strong encryption. I guess I’m biased since this is essentially my whole livelihood, but this is crazy, right?

Well, nsa mass surveillance and legalized torture were never repelled by any side. In fact, the patriot act has been prolongued 5 times, no matter the administration, and is still in effect. As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. Fighting for either seems so futile from here. Of course, we have similar problems as well so I'm not going to pretend I have a solution.

> As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind.

To be fair, us Europeans have the same issues with our politicians, with the exception of socialists, communists and Greens. Just look for the article13 fiasco.

We're all being fucked.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by djsumdog »

annoyingnoob wrote: post #2

We need to vote out the people pushing for backdoors. They seem to want backdoors at any cost, without any technical understanding of why its a terrible idea. Vote them out!

In American politics, voting really doesn't make a difference as much as just having opinions alighted with those of the top 10% of income earners[0]. Making noise and protests are more effective in some ways, but the sad reality is that most of senate/congress is not beholden to the selectorate of all voters, but rather the smaller selectorate of influences that control the advertising and narrative that allows them to continue to be re-elected.

[0]: https://battlepenguin.com/politics/video/does-voting-make-a-...

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by glenda »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #5
blintz wrote: post #3

I cannot believe that the one thing we have bipartisan consensus on is destroying strong encryption. I guess I’m biased since this is essentially my whole livelihood, but this is crazy, right?

Well, nsa mass surveillance and legalized torture were never repelled by any side. In fact, the patriot act has been prolongued 5 times, no matter the administration, and is still in effect. As a european, I don't see any party that actually have american people's interest in mind. Fighting for either seems so futile from here. Of course, we have similar problems as well so I'm not going to pretend I have a solution.

Exactly, we need way more political parties with direct representation. However, power seems to do a great job of consolidating itself so that won't be an easy task.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by antepodius »

chejazi wrote: post #14

Obviously this sucks as a proposal but... how do we stop the child porn?

Have a mandatory bodycam implanted in everyone's right eyesocket, that livestreams to government servers 24/7.

This is an obvious short-term mitigation tactic until they develop brain implants that can pre-emptively moderate harmful thoughts.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by annoyingnoob »

cevn wrote: post #6
annoyingnoob wrote: post #2

We need to vote out the people pushing for backdoors. They seem to want backdoors at any cost, without any technical understanding of why its a terrible idea. Vote them out!

Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) - vote for Jamie Harrison on Nov 3 in SC Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut) - term ends in 2022* Josh Hawley (R-Missouri) - 2024 Dianne Feinstein (D-California) - 2024 as well... good luck with this one

Been working on that last one for years. At least I'm likely to out live her.

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by the-dude »

linuxftw wrote: post #15
annoyingnoob wrote: post #2

We need to vote out the people pushing for backdoors. They seem to want backdoors at any cost, without any technical understanding of why its a terrible idea. Vote them out!

Just like we needed to vote out the people that voted for the bailouts and the Iraq war. Politics keeps moving on. I'm still on the Iraq war. I'm not interested on any other issue until we solve that one. Edit: s/bailouts of/bailouts and/

What are "bailouts of the Iraq war" ?

Re: Oppose the Earn IT Act

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Post by darkarmani »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #9
blintz wrote: post #3

I cannot believe that the one thing we have bipartisan consensus on is destroying strong encryption. I guess I’m biased since this is essentially my whole livelihood, but this is crazy, right?

We have bipartisan consensus[1] that tech companies have acted badly and that Section 230 should be repealed or significantly amended. I think EARN IT will probably kill Section 230, not strong encryption, so I think EARN IT is pretty great. Tech companies probably should be coming to the realization by now that it's only a matter of time (probably 4-8 years) before we close the 230 loophole: So if they're given a ch…

What is the problem here? Having federal interference in tech is a terrible idea as any laws are usually overbroad and stifle large amounts of innovation that we haven't imagined yet as an unintended consequence.

What multiuser system would survive a libel-law attack from a highly unfriendly jurisdiction? Email, forums, comments, and other forms of posting opinions would immediately cause any small operator to shutdown.

You just need a friend to make libelous comments on discus and then sue any site you want. 230 isn't a loophole, it's essential for speech on the Internet.

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