Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

Post by vertex-four » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

derision wrote: post #201

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OK, how about this: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/06/health/trans-teens-bathro... - right wing policies lead to sexual assault. What about this - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/north-caro... - right-wing violence, kidnapping and sexually violating someone for taking a fucking piss . Do you want me to spend the next 24 hours finding you news stories of right-wing violence against people minding th…

There's nothing that indicates any of these were committed by right wing people. The first article is based on a study surveying 13-17 year olds and mentions some legislation, but no sexual assault that I can see. Two drunk women, no evidence they are right wing or support any specific ideology. And so on. Individual acts of violence are not the same as an authoritarian regime, like the current left wing mob.

Post by skissane » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 4:17 PM UTC

euix wrote: post #127

daemin wrote: post #40

I would have said that returning Hong Kong back to China was one of the biggest mistakes the UK has made, but here we are in 2020. It would have been better if they made it into an independent city state like Singapore.

Not like they had much of a choice. I think Deng Xiaoping said to Thatcher "we'll roll the PLA in come 1997 with or without an agreement". Basically, we can have an agreement to save face all around or will just go in. Especially since the water and food from Hong Kong are basically supplied from the mainland. We are well pass the time when a technologically advance oceanic power can establish and hold enclaves on th…

Post by free_rms » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 4:18 PM UTC

delecti wrote: post #143

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It may have made sense technically but China has a huge army and HK is dependent on water, electricity and food which comes from the mainland. The mainland government made very clear that if HK wasn't returned, they would cut off the water supply.

That's a separate issue though. That China had the military might to take HK doesn't mean they were the legitimate government to have HK returned to. It's not stealing from China to not give them something taken from someone else.

Post by sterlind » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

99_00 wrote: post #198

I live in Vancouver. The pattern for many Hong Kong immigrants is to have the mother and children live in Canada while the father works in HK.The family doesn't declare the foreign income in Canada. So they enjoy the benefits of a low tax HK income. And they get all the nice things that go with living in high tax Canada while not contributing to it -free healthcare, subsided University, safe communities, clean enviro…

Post by Apfel » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 4:20 PM UTC

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Pretty soon the law-abiding and obedient people will become aware that life outside of authoritarianism is better and safer, and they will either run away or revolt.

Life in China is fine right now. They are living about 50x better off than their parents. They are educated. The CCP is super clever and imbued a sort of nationalistic pride from birth. Instead of the US's more complicated dualistic individualism/patriotism combo, the Chinese people actually get some sort of pride for being a cog in the CCP machine. It's a completely different paradigm and obviously super dangerous b…