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Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by tasogare » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:12 PM UTC

crobertsbmw wrote: post #43

eggsnbacon1 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hong Kong was a British colony for generations and is still strongly influenced by western culture. Probably why China has such an obsession with crushing it. Adopting HK citizens is a far easier sell than Syrians. They already speak English, are highly educated, wealthy, westernized, and have special status in UK law. Letting a ton of refugees in is a large burden on the host country. They don't share British cultur…

After reading Open Borders by Bryan Cahlan, I’m convinced that if there is a burden on the host country it’s temporary. Long term, I think the host country has much more to gain than to lose.

It’s the reverse, the burden is definitive and ever growing. A large group of immigrants allow them to keep themselves in a cultural bubble, build a parallel economy (and society, actually), occupy some part of cities and setup political parties. Source: I’m French, and I quit my country in part for this reason.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by ponker » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #6

If I was China, I would love for the US and the UK to take the law-aware and dissident people off my hands.

And if I was the UK, I’d love to have the smartest, most educated, wealthiest residents immigrate. A win-win if you will.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by MattGaiser » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

disabled wrote: post #72

ronsor wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word just means "English-speaking countries."

Usually but not necessarily. Traditionally Republic of Ireland is not considered part of the Anglosphere, if you want to get technical.

They generally reject English where possible. Irish is the first official language.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by magicsmoke » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:13 PM UTC

woodpanel wrote: post #66

swarnie_ wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't return something at the end of a contract is that theft? or piracy? Its not like the UK had a choice. We're you expecting them to go all Hawaii on the situation and just annex it?

While the reasoning resonates with me, it does have undertones of whataboutism in it: Do I really expect CPC-historians to label colonial era contracts to be legitimate? Anyways, Singapore's independence wasn't a given either, they had to fight for theirs from "the mother land" as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_in_Malaysia Edit: I stand corrected - Not "to fight". However, the point being (as with Beli…

Singapore was kicked out of Malaysia because they were majority Han Chinese and Malaysia wanted racial policies favoring Malays which would get outvoted in a democratic Malysia with Singapore in it. Singapore is one of those unusual countries where they didn't want independence but was forced into it.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by numpad0 » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:14 PM UTC

sct202 wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see how proactive a lot of developed countries are being with getting ready to welcome refugees from Hong Kong, especially compared to the Syrian crisis a few years ago.

UK offer is a 5-year timed right to stay, not even permanent residence.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by MattGaiser » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:14 PM UTC

entropea wrote: post #64

sct202 wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see how proactive a lot of developed countries are being with getting ready to welcome refugees from Hong Kong, especially compared to the Syrian crisis a few years ago.

I bet we'll see nearly no refugees from Hong Kong when data starts appearing in a few years.

Refugee is an official term with an official meaning. Anyone coming from Hong Kong doesn't fit that.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by nly » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:15 PM UTC

sampo wrote: post #67

68% of conservative voters, 71% of labour voters, and 77% of libdem voters support this. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/0...

Surprising isn't it, given how much of a driving force EU immigration was in the Brexit debate.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by throw51319 » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:15 PM UTC

joaomacp wrote: post #22

whatshisface wrote: post #6

If I was China, I would love for the US and the UK to take the law-aware and dissident people off my hands.

Pretty soon the law-abiding and obedient people will become aware that life outside of authoritarianism is better and safer, and they will either run away or revolt.

Life in China is fine right now. They are living about 50x better off than their parents. They are educated.

The CCP is super clever and imbued a sort of nationalistic pride from birth. Instead of the US's more complicated dualistic individualism/patriotism combo, the Chinese people actually get some sort of pride for being a cog in the CCP machine.

It's a completely different paradigm and obviously super dangerous because it allows the people at the top who aren't elected to pull the strings on a machine of 1.4 billion people. If they run the system correctly, it can be much more "effective".

Democracy has lots of pressure outlets, and it is definitely much more healthy longterm. That's why I think it's the better system, even vs a well-run (and let's even assume benevolent) CCP.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by nly » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

numpad0 wrote: post #85

sct202 wrote: post #25

It's interesting to see how proactive a lot of developed countries are being with getting ready to welcome refugees from Hong Kong, especially compared to the Syrian crisis a few years ago.

UK offer is a 5-year timed right to stay, not even permanent residence.

5 years continuous residence is typically the requirement to apply for permanent residence and ultimately citizenship.

Re: Hong Kong: UK makes citizenship offer to residents

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Post by tvphan » Wed, Jul 01, 2020, 3:16 PM UTC

entropea wrote: post #29

joaomacp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty soon the law-abiding and obedient people will become aware that life outside of authoritarianism is better and safer, and they will either run away or revolt.

This is exactly why I'm trying to move out of the USA.

I see the USA as more chaotic than authoritarian.