> allowing him to be harassed by two managers because he was from a lower Indian caste than them.
Would be cool if article didn't state as fact that some castes are higher than others and/or that people belong to castes.
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#432>At Cisco, the unnamed employee reported Iyer to human resources in November 2016 for outing him as a Dalit to colleagues. Iyer allegedly retaliated, but Cisco determined caste discrimination was not illegal and issues continued through 2018, the lawsuit states. I wouldn't expect HR to side with the lower level employee as generally HR groups are there to protect the company.... but I would wonder what their findings…
This didn’t protect the company very well... someone in HR ought to catch the flack on this too. Discrimination is bad for businesses. Not just if it hits the press, but those employees being discriminated against aren’t going to be as productive as those being encouraged. Fire bad managers. HR works for the company, not middle management.
>Fire bad managers. HR works for the company, not middle management.
HR doesn't have a way of seeing the discrimination happening. The managers say X candidate is good so they get hired and then they get promoted because the managers give them good reviews. HR can't tell if the candidate/employee is actually good because they rely on the managers for that. And it's very dangerous waters for them to start making accusations about discrimination in hiring. Both because it can be seen as targetting the managers based on their race and admitting that the company is discriminatory in hiring.
I also don't know how it was at Cisco, but my first job all the lead developers except for one was Indian. How can you punish them if they're all doing the same thing? You can't exactly fire all your leads and if you punish one you risk them all quitting.
And is it really bad for business? Indians make up a huge part of the IT landscape. If the majority want to discriminate then you can either hire them or the smaller pool of people that don't. Most companies will choose the first. Often they don't even know they're making that choice. They hire one and then that person recruits from their network and is the gatekeeper for other hires. If that person discriminates on caste they will likely hire others that do as well.
Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste
#433I once had a western educated (self confessed Brahmin) guy say that India and Pakistan were culturally identical. Now there's some comments here about converting to Christianity as an attractive alternative, but what about Islam? Could the success of Islam in certain places in the Indian subcontinent have been driven by the caste system? Does conversion to Islam involve a change of name? Does the caste system operate…
Caste system is pervasive in India. It invades almost every religion in India over time. As an example, here’s what I wrote in another response. This Jati is so pervasive in India that even the non-Hindu religions such as Sikhism and “Lingayat” which were explicitly formed to be away from the Hindu caste system couldn’t escape it. So we now have a few dozen Jati within Sikhism and Lingayats with an overly of Verna.
How about Islam?
Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste
#434It's because American companies weed out American biases (sex, gender, race) in management. When it comes to foreign-born employees with their own biases HR is silent because there are no rules. I think that a better job needs to done here.
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but Class discrimination is no where as brutal as Caste discrimination is - you don't get honour killings for marrying the wrong person. Don't take this the wrong way this is your white privilege showing
YGBSM. Are you sure that you want this post to stay up? EDIT: I removed the quote of your insult, and simply flagged your post. Let's be adults, here. I'll probably remove this post before the two hours are up.
Is mentioning white British privilege over low-caste Indians now a flagging offense?
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#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am someone who was born a hindu dalit and I am so ashamed of sharing that identity of mine that I am posting anonymously. Hindus believe that humans are like dogs and they have a breed. So a person who is born in a higher caste is of a better breed than a person born in a lower caste. Numerous genetic studies have found no significant difference amongst Indian castes. The moment an upper caste person realizes that…
I am sorry for your experience. Do you mind sharing what part of India you're from? It is really surprising to me that relatively better off Dalits would still find the need to convert to a different religion to avoid discrimination. Even more surprising that this is happening at a wider scale. I respect your personal choice, of course, but curious why people choose to convert to a different religion instead of just…
What Christian beliefs do you think are problematic?
I'm an atheist myself but I don't see many things in Christianity that are particularly bad (...I just don't believe in the supernatural).
Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but Class discrimination is no where as brutal as Caste discrimination is - you don't get honour killings for marrying the wrong person. Don't take this the wrong way this is your white privilege showing
YGBSM. Are you sure that you want this post to stay up? EDIT: I removed the quote of your insult, and simply flagged your post. Let's be adults, here. I'll probably remove this post before the two hours are up.
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Because of atrocities against "lower" castes which wouldn't even be investigated > I know about "victims" who lie about the accusitions in these cases, the local community knows that its a lie but people are still guilty until proven innocent. Both of you are offering anecdotes, and I assume the former far outnumbers the latter, but we would find more anecdotes of the latter on HN, because most Indians here are not…
Unfortunately for you I can back up my "anecdotes" https://asiatimes.com/2018/03/indias-supreme-court-accused-h... >The court also referred to data released by the Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment showing that of the 15,638 cases decided by the courts in 2015, 11,024 resulted in acquittals or discharges. Another 495 cases were withdrawn and only 4,119 cases resulted in convictions.
Unfortunately that doesn't have to mean anything. If the courts are biased it is possible they are only convicting if the evidence is so strong they dare not. Or maybe some courts are honestly decided and others are corrupt...
I'm not in India so I have no idea what the truth is. I do know corruption is a problem there and corruption is a hard problem to solve.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
YGBSM. Are you sure that you want this post to stay up? EDIT: I removed the quote of your insult, and simply flagged your post. Let's be adults, here. I'll probably remove this post before the two hours are up.
Is mentioning white British privilege over low-caste Indians now a flagging offense?
> Is mentioning white British privilege over low-caste Indians now a flagging offense?
Flat-out, deadly, insults are. It was delivered as an insult.
> Don't take this the wrong way this is your white privilege showing
I didn't "take it the wrong way." I took it exactly as it was intended.
What's ironic, is that the insult was delivered without the person even taking a few minutes to find out a bit more about me. I don't hide anything. It's all there, for you to examine.
I understand that this is an emotional issue, which was why I carefully kept all of my responses to my own experience, and never made a value judgement.
I'd suggest that you read through all my comments, and point out my insults. If I have inadvertently done so, then I sincerely apologize, and will make any amends possible.
I am not Indian, and won't even pretend to understand what Indians of lower caste go through, but I do have some experience in the British system.
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
For over 2 millenia dalits were not even allowed to enter schools or gain education. Ambedkar was famously the only dalit student in his school. If dalits and other lower castes were not allowed to enter schools for more than a thousand years , then doesn't that mean that brahmins and other upper castes had 100% reservation in education for more than a thousand years? Why complain about reservation now when it was yo…
India's literacy rate in 1947 is right below 10%. It was not just Dalits that did not have education. Education for a long time has been limited to few people and vast number of those people are not western educated either. They got traditional oral education well into mid-19th century.
As an American with an interest in South Asian culture, I found this ten percent number striking. A quick look at the US Library of Congress via Google search, shows these major newspapers of India in the 1940s.
https://www.loc.gov/newspapers/?all=true&dates=1940-1949&fa=...
I believe there were more than 15 languages in India with newspaper circulation of 1 million or more, in addition to English and Hindi, in the 1980s. Even illiterate Yemen had a literacy rate greater than 50% in the 1980s, by my understanding. So I am very sceptical of this ten percent statement about India.