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Linear – A fast issue tracker

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Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#181
post #19

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We wanted to make the product free for smaller teams to get started without worrying about who to invite. We only count active issue to the limit, and once you're done with them, you can archive them. And yes, we do have support for all users and priority support (faster response times) for paying users. We want to build a long lasting sustainable business and charging for the product is big part of it.

Just to be clear, I wasn't suggesting you should have a better free plan, I was wondering why you have one at all. Free users are expensive and a hassle and I'm skeptical that you'll acquire a lot of paying customers that way. I can't claim to have any idea about the inner workings of this market, though I've spent a lot of time looking at the options in this space. There are plenty of free options for those without…

I imagine the free plan also doubles as a trial for a paid subscription. Moving issue trackers can be a hassle, so having unlimited time to test out the workflow and features for a small team or project makes good sense, and if you decide to switch it should be easy enough to upgrade.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#182
post #3

We've been using Linear for a couple months. It's kind of like Superhuman in that the primary benefit is hotkeys. Otherwise it is an issue tracker. I think the reason we see a steady stream of new issue trackers is that teams are trying to fix with software what are people problems. New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you pil…

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Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#183

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I'm genuinely interested: is this really true? Is Jira necessarily slow when there's a lot of stuff in it? I'm not sure I believe it. There are graph-of-objects-plus-metadata applications out there that are pretty fast. I'm not an expert in this domain, but I bet an issue tracker can be made that doesn't feel painful at real scales.

I didn't interpret the OP to mean slow from an "application performance" perspective - instead, as slow from a "process" perspective. The ticket needs to be filed in the right queue. It needs the "right" tags. It needs to traverse the "approved" workflow correctly. It didn't get assigned to the right epic. etc, etc, etc. It's all of that - the process built up over time, in response to organic needs - that makes thin…

It's both. JIRA can often be terribly slow. Each page loads about 10 seconds for me, and I don't know why. Other people say it is ~2s for them. I suspect it has something to do with networking and amount of requests being made, etc.

Then, on top of it the flows in Jira can be super slow, which is another story.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#184
post #3

We've been using Linear for a couple months. It's kind of like Superhuman in that the primary benefit is hotkeys. Otherwise it is an issue tracker. I think the reason we see a steady stream of new issue trackers is that teams are trying to fix with software what are people problems. New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you pil…

> New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you piled up in the old one. Don't migrate your backlog, start with only a couple engineers in a new issue tracker, and suddenly, wow!, this new tool is so much better!

Sluggish software can be more than just a data bloat issue. It can also be caused feature bloat, or software architecture that scales poorly.

Anecdotally, I recently worked on a project using a fresh Jira Cloud account. It was still slow.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#185
post #55

Jira is a hot circle of garbage. I am going to check out Linear for my team because I can’t stand how slowly Jira pages load and how long it takes Atlassian to address documented bugs.

Anyone who makes general complaints about Jira like this a) works in a place where Jira has not been correctly configured or b) works in a place with a terrible internet connection c) works in a place where both a) & b) are true or d) doesn't have any idea what they are talking about. P.S. what exactly is "a hot circle of garbage" other than a mixed metaphor?

> works in a place with a terrible internet connection

That excuse just doesn't hold up when any comparable issue tracker (or web app in general) works fine on the same internet connection.

JIRA, just like any other Atlassian product has a slowness to it on every click and navigation that makes it feel like you are wading through molasses.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#186
post #3

We've been using Linear for a couple months. It's kind of like Superhuman in that the primary benefit is hotkeys. Otherwise it is an issue tracker. I think the reason we see a steady stream of new issue trackers is that teams are trying to fix with software what are people problems. New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you pil…

> New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you piled up in the old one. Don't migrate your backlog, start with only a couple engineers in a new issue tracker, and suddenly, wow!, this new tool is so much better! Sluggish software can be more than just a data bloat issue. It can also be caused feature bloat, or software architectur…

Jira is so slow I installed plugins in both the devtools I use a lot to view tickets without having to use the web interface, it's just painful when you have to view a lot of tickets quickly.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#187

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Same here, I tried Linear, but the fact that it doesn't use github as the source of truth is a deal breaker for us. I would love something like Reviewable - it uses github as the "DB" and provides a nicer interface for doing code reviews.

> the fact that it doesn't use github as the source of truth is a deal breaker for us. Why is that important? You'd be completely hamstrung by the available GitHub API's and speed.

> You'd be completely hamstrung by the available GitHub API's and speed.

Out of all the APIs I've built similar projects on, GitHub has been among the ones that's the easiest to mirror/cache to your own DB, so I wouldn't say that's really a problem in practice.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#188

I don’t see the value add. I work at a place with 1000+people using Jira. No one complains about the performance. There’s really nothing here I can make a case to the managers about. It does look nice but thats not enough. I think there’s room for an opinionated issue tracker, Jira is like everything and the kitchen sink and people make their own rules.

There are already a number of opinionated issue trackers, like Clubhouse and Pivotal Tracker.

Yeah you’re right. Well then there’s no more room for issue trackers. Definitely not at the higher levels

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#189
post #69

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I understand it to mean that there is a part of the org (separate from the engineering team) that shapes the direction of the product; decides "these are the features we're going to implement, these are the issues we're going to address"; one way of looking at it is that their primary output is putting things in to the engineering team's backlog.

Yeah, this is what I was talking about. Software product management as a separate functional org from engineering. Not like old-Dupont-style product orgs.

Aha - so you are saying there is a product manager (plus "org") whose job it is to produce big backlogs separate from the people who will implement them.

yeah that's never gonna work :-(

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

#190
post #78

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Not sure what happened to you - but speaking anecdotally, but from someone who logs into Jira Cloud every day, and spends 20-30 minutes interacting with the interfaces over 8-10 hours a day, and has done so for the last 3 years - it's had a handful of outages, nothing that really rose to the level of being memorable though (and less than any internal issue tracker I've worked with) - and the performance is, fine? I m…

Ours JIRA instance took multiple seconds to load modals. Think 5+ seconds. It was miserable. I would have gladly paid more for faster speed but it turned out the APIs were blazing fast and it was the JS that was slow. Not sure how we have had such different experiences. Seems impossible that your JS was executed that much faster than mine. I was using chrome FWIW.

I actually got $work to pay for a new desktop computer to prevent me from going insane because of the slugish JIRA and Google Cloud Web Console, and it actually solved it.

My old x260 was not able to run jira/gcp/slack at a reasonable speed due to javascript performance :(

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