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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by throwvid19 »

monocasa wrote: post #170
DenisM wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This incident: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gwa2ub/seattle_pol... Witness accounts: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gwa2ub/seattle_pol... I was there earlier and I saw a scared resident trying to drive home through that gate. A protester right next to me made a snide remark about the "expensive" car and proposed blocking the gate. The gate was not blocked that time, but given the video they did…

I mean, I don't see why they're moving the barricades into the protesters when they could move them to the side to let the van through, and explain what they're doing rather than just arresting people out of nowhere. Their actions police here are openly antagonistic, even with the context you've given.

You just identified exactly what OP was asking for: context.

I can't hear what the police are saying to the protesters, can you?

That's context.

The police actions appear mildly questionable, I'll give you that. But we lack context to understand what happened here.

The problem here is that both sides are defensive of themselves. This is precisely why understanding context and nuance is important, because each is incentivized to favor their own viewpoint.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by uoaei »

iamstupidsimple wrote: post #14
mdszy wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain why you think property is the same importance as human lives being destroyed by people who were sworn to protect them.

I won't go as far as equating property to human lives, but do remember the vast majority of businesses looted or burned were small, already hurting from Covid-19, and a large number of them black owned. Sure, these people's business owners weren't killed, but everything they worked for during their life is pretty much ruined.

This is something that's repeated very often on news media with zero citations to the datasets from which they derive their conclusions.

Would be interested to see your sources because folks like myself are highly skeptical about unsubstantiated claims, especially when they serve ulterior interests. In this case, small business rhetoric supports mostly the large businesses that want to suppress wages and avoid workplace protection regulations.[1]

[1] https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-111-how-small-bus...

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

gruez wrote: post #61
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

>You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. If only there was some sort of recording device that we can put on police officers, and either they can be trusted not to "accidentally" turn it off when an incident occurs or is always-on.

They had an always on policy and the ACLU sued them because people were afraid that they might be using them for surveillance.

Again, sometimes context is important before making assumptions. People will tend to immediately fill in the blanks to fit what they want to be true. And unfortunately more often than not, when receiving new information, they won’t retract anything or reconsider their position.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by [deleted] »

darksaints wrote: post #175
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, and historically as far as I know, part of a police officer's job is to hurt people, when certain conditions present themselves. Every day police officers respond to DV assaults that are in progress. Oftentimes the perpetrator fights the police. Any time an arrestee is not fully cooperative with the police taking them into custody, the arrest is not going to be pleasant to watch. Someone is having their fr…

I have yet to see a credible explanation for the vast disparity in police violence between the USA and literally every other first world country. Let's take Germany, for example. How is it possible that US police kill more people in half a year than German police have killed since 1952? There are thousands of practical answers to your question. If you haven't found any of them practical, you're not trying.

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by throwvid19 »

The number of comments in here that ask for additional/richer data and are being flagged is supremely concerning.

I understand that this is a hot issue with very polarized sides, but in what kinds of circumstances is having more data bad, except to intentionally support bias?

Please understand that my question is only to understand why, in the context of accumulating data, is trying to obtain more/better data NOT a good thing?

I do not wish to debate what is already being said in the many comments already, so if it helps to change the context of the data in question in order to discuss, that sounds like a good idea to me.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by specialist »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #156
tartoran wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before we filter for truth lets train our police force to be less violent because that breads more violence on the other end and we all loose except for the powerheads in charge as well as the real gangsters. Police have no right to be violent, they do get a paycheck for fsake, and they have the law on their side as well. I will respect all cops when they earn it. So far I respect only those I interacted with and wer…

Currently, and historically as far as I know, part of a police officer's job is to hurt people, when certain conditions present themselves. Every day police officers respond to DV assaults that are in progress. Oftentimes the perpetrator fights the police. Any time an arrestee is not fully cooperative with the police taking them into custody, the arrest is not going to be pleasant to watch. Someone is having their fr…

"...what I consider to be a practical answer..."

Do you have a practical answer for policing without using significant force?

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by SauciestGNU »

throwvid19 wrote: post #185

The number of comments in here that ask for additional/richer data and are being flagged is supremely concerning. I understand that this is a hot issue with very polarized sides, but in what kinds of circumstances is having more data bad , except to intentionally support bias? Please understand that my question is only to understand why, in the context of accumulating data, is trying to obtain more/better data NOT a…

I think context is good and we should be wary of videos that have been edited to remove critical information.

However, there is such a large corpus of evidence against the police in these protests, I have to wonder if the people asking for more context are doing so in good faith, or rather to argue for the innocence of the police. Having been personally on the receiving end of police violence during these protests, it bothers me that anyone could look at this wealth of videos and see anything other than a clear pattern of institutional violence being wielded against those who are in opposition to just such violence.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by stevehawk »

ogre_codes wrote: post #120
jquery wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the current environment, I’m not so sure. I was really negative on the St. Louis couple that pulled guns on protesters... until I learned the “peaceful” protesters were on private property and had already destroyed an iron gate and were threatening to burn down their house. None of those latter facts were easily available until I dug deeper into the story. The New York Times story that shows up when I Google menti…

If your narrative is correct, then the couple almost certainly would have been served better by documenting the violence and destruction themselves rather than coming off like armed idiots.

i'm not sure that a video camera offers the same line of defense as a firearm when you feel your life is in danger. after all, the incident was a straight up gun standoff with weapons on both sides.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by josefx »

throwvid19 wrote: post #181
monocasa wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I don't see why they're moving the barricades into the protesters when they could move them to the side to let the van through, and explain what they're doing rather than just arresting people out of nowhere. Their actions police here are openly antagonistic, even with the context you've given.

You just identified exactly what OP was asking for: context. I can't hear what the police are saying to the protesters, can you? That's context. The police actions appear mildly questionable, I'll give you that. But we lack context to understand what happened here. The problem here is that both sides are defensive of themselves. This is precisely why understanding context and nuance is important, because each is ince…

Mildly questionable and actively stupid. They have a multi lane road and force the one lane with seated protestors open. I am not sure that there is any context that could explain that choice unless the police is actually prohibited from routing traffic around an obstacle.
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