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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by seemack »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #159
Uehreka wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s one thing to say “given there will be crime, and some criminals are violent, cops may have to be violent sometimes to stop criminals”. That’s a pretty bloodless analysis. Let’s get to the fun part: “if cops perceive someone to be a criminal, how violent will we allow them to be, relative to how violent the perceived criminal is?” In the case of the cops assaulting that vigil for Elijah McClain (it was a peaceful…

Serious question: do you think that police officers should have to accept themselves to getting hurt as part of their job? Meaning, that it's actually an expectation the public has of police officers that they will get hurt if someone is fighting with them. To me, that seems like the inevitable consequence of not quickly taking control using decisive force. That's the issue I think exists with 1:1.1 response. It does…

You seem to be misconstruing people's condemnation of the police use of force. The condemnation is due to the police not responding with force appropriately.

My interpretation is that the majority of people are simply responding to the trend of police responding with extreme violence more and more readily in situations which absolutely do not require it.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by LyalinDotCom »

enriquto wrote: post #85

There is a similar site for the spanish violence against the catalan referendum of 2017: https://spanishpolice.github.io/ In that case, unfortunately, the videos are only stored on youtube and twitter, so you cannot backup them easily just by cloning the repo.

I really worry about videos being lost, almost feels like someone should do an archive every so often and put it up as torrents that many people can help backup. Just a thought

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by zaroth »

Red_Leaves_Flyy wrote: post #161
zaroth wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA Today says that policing is the 18th most dangerous job in the US. What makes police injuries and deaths notable from other occupations is that “The most common cause of workplace fatalities among police officers is direct violence from other people”. It is not just a risky job in general, it is a risky job due to people that would intentionally do them harm, done in service of their community. Everyone is a regu…

Fwiw 18 is greater than 15... Did the chicken or the egg come first? Were cops the helpless victims of wanton violence before they started brutalizing poor and minority neighborhoods? Or, has police work gotten more dangerous as police are continually escalating against their desperate communities whom have little left to lose except their lives? Are police fit for duty in America when my barber took a longer trainin…

I think your claims are exaggerated beyond reality, but;

1) Police have dangerous jobs, particularly in the inner city, but by no means are they helpless victims of wanton violence.

2) Police do not brutalize poor and minority neighborhoods. Although the overall trend is that violent crime is going down, these neighborhoods have become significantly less safe and less lawful in just a few weeks of reduced police presence, based on recent crime statistics, particularly shootings and murders, but even simple lawlessness like a 4000% increase in fireworks complaints.

3) Police work has generally gotten safer over the last few decades, for example measured in annual officer deaths which peaked near 300 in the 70s and now hovers around 150. [1]

4) Desperate communities which have little left to lose except their lives — I think this is hyperbolic even to describe inner cities where dozens die every weekend from civilian violence, e.g. Chicago’s bloodiest weekend last week where 85 were shot, 24 fatally. These communities by majority polling support greater police presence and funding, not less.

5) I’d say police academy training is fundamentally different than, for example, trade school apprenticeship. The apprenticeship system essentially has you working the job but under some level of supervision, until you get your license at which point you can work independently. The apprenticeship phase is similar to the supervision that officers receive every day in their squad. The key different is officers have a structured rank and rigid reporting structure, you can’t get a police license and then open up your own police shop. The overall police force performs the same function as the apprenticeship framework in trade crafts. Unlike a licensed electrician/plumber/barber, the officer never gets the opportunity to strike off on their own, but it is true that they enter the force as a low-ranking peon with fewer hours of upfront training than the barber who after their 1,000 hours can open their own unsupervised shop.

[1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_offi...

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by stevens32 »

tartoran wrote: post #102
wonderwonder wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course every police report is one sided, it represents the police officers description of what happened. Its one sided by its very nature. I am not saying they are all false, merely that they are all one sided.

“The cops are always right, have never done wrong, never provoked, have no ego and never powertrip.” I wish we lived in that world. Truth is cops are as fallible as any other human being and for that reason they should either have less power or be at all times in check to ensure they don’t abuse it.

:%s/ or/ and/g

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by darksaints »

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #156
tartoran wrote: post #99

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Before we filter for truth lets train our police force to be less violent because that breads more violence on the other end and we all loose except for the powerheads in charge as well as the real gangsters. Police have no right to be violent, they do get a paycheck for fsake, and they have the law on their side as well. I will respect all cops when they earn it. So far I respect only those I interacted with and wer…

Currently, and historically as far as I know, part of a police officer's job is to hurt people, when certain conditions present themselves. Every day police officers respond to DV assaults that are in progress. Oftentimes the perpetrator fights the police. Any time an arrestee is not fully cooperative with the police taking them into custody, the arrest is not going to be pleasant to watch. Someone is having their fr…

I have yet to see a credible explanation for the vast disparity in police violence between the USA and literally every other first world country. Let's take Germany, for example. How is it possible that US police kill more people in half a year than German police have killed since 1952?

There are thousands of practical answers to your question. If you haven't found any of them practical, you're not trying.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by stevens32 »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

Good point, the police already have avenues to tell their side (the news) and this resource provides the rest of the story. Like all pieces of information, it's good to understand the biases at play before accepting anything as fact.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by zaroth »

monocasa wrote: post #151
triceratops wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Parkland officer who didn’t enter the school during the shooting...was rightly condemned as not fit for duty. But then got his job and pension back with the full backing of his union[1][2]. This is what I mean by the system propping up bad cops. If the "vast majority" of cops are heroes, why are they supporting someone who has demonstrated a distinct lack of heroism? Isn't he making the rest of them look bad? D…

He also got back pay, with back overtime.

Yeah, I never said I was pro-union, but there was certainly widespread condemnation of that officer’s response.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by stevens32 »

Forbo wrote: post #124
EForEndeavour wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "vast majority of police" turn a blind eye to crimes their coworkers commmit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence

I appreciate the link to the Wikipedia article, but I don't see anything about statistics indicating a majority. Did I miss something in my perusing of the article? Edit: I was able to pull this citation from a previous discussion regarding police and perjury: Myron W. Orfield, Jr., Deterrence, Perjury, and the Heater Factor, supra note 13, at 83: > Respondents, including prosecutors, estimate that police commit perj…

It's possible the police forces are a body of people who have a strong us-vs-them culture. On the one hand it probably helps them execute their sometimes dangerous job, on the other hand it bleeds into symptoms like the blue wall of silence.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by klyrs »

downandout wrote: post #119
tedunangst wrote: post #112

If you think there's missing context, submit a pull request with a link? Here in philly, police insisted they tear gassed protestors because they were in imminent danger. Two weeks later, they failed to find any evidence to support that, despite many camera angles. Finally issued an apology. Turns out the other side of the story was actually the same as the protestors' side; they just didn't want to admit it.

Missing context implies that their failure to provide it was an oversight. There was not even an attempt at providing context here, because doing so would be unpopular.

With cops wearing body cams, that evidence should be abundant. Its absence is telling.

Collecting evidence is pretty much job #1 for the police. Without that, they can't establish guilt of the accused.

When dozens of cops were involved in a beatdown and not a single one can produce a shred of evidence, we assume that the protesters were innocent.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

imtringued wrote: post #165
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

I'd like to hear the backstory behind these videos then. https://youtu.be/8kCrTvlcgD4?t=57 https://youtu.be/-BGyTi-KdKc?t=33 I think its pretty weird that you justify police violence that is permanently disabling people. I'm sure serial killers and mafia bosses can come up with good reasons why they kill people and if you were in their shoes you would act in exactly the same way but why on earth would accept their be…

You may need to re-read his post, he was definitely not justifying anything. It’s surprising that a place like HN tolerates such blatant fallacies. This isn’t how empirical data or statistics works.
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