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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by monocasa »

microcolonel wrote: post #95
chrismcb wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Lawful orders to disperse" is there such a thing? You don't hear about "lawful orders to stop speaking" or "lawful orders to stop practicing a religion " And just because a" clear verbal warming " was issued, doesn't mean it had to be followed, nor does it mean excessive force woukd be used. While I agree that some instances of "peaceful protestors" aren't actually peacful, many are. And in some of the cases where t…

When your protest becomes a riot, yes, it is lawful to order dispersal. You have a right to expression, not a right to ransack other people's property (public and private), if you commit the latter in the guise of the former, then you are in the wrong.

And what if the police attack a peaceful protest and create the cover for others to ransack?

As I saw with my own eyes occurring.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by tartoran »

wonderwonder wrote: post #82
rootusrootus wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the opposite not true on every single police report? How can you tell? Unless you are politically motivated to exaggerate, then all we really know is that there have been some high profile instances where police reports have been falsified. But I don't know how we can reliably expand that to all police reports. Fundamentally, police officers are sworn, and so their word carries more weight than a non-sworn citiz…

Of course every police report is one sided, it represents the police officers description of what happened. Its one sided by its very nature. I am not saying they are all false, merely that they are all one sided.

“The cops are always right, have never done wrong, never provoked, have no ego and never powertrip.”

I wish we lived in that world. Truth is cops are as fallible as any other human being and for that reason they should either have less power or be at all times in check to ensure they don’t abuse it.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by gruez »

verdverm wrote: post #67
gruez wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. If only there was some sort of recording device that we can put on police officers, and either they can be trusted not to "accidentally" turn it off when an incident occurs or is always-on.

I checked my local city, some of the incidents are true, others lack evidence, others seem to lack a brutality component all together (such as firing a pepper all at the ground in front of someone breaking the law. No doubt we have a problem, this is a great start to a collection, but we may want to consider filtering for truth or at least incidents with credible evidence

>No doubt we have a problem, this is a great start to a collection, but we may want to consider filtering for truth or at least incidents with credible evidence

Yeah, that's the job of the justice system. However, they have been failing to do their jobs properly for decades. If they could be trusted to investigate themselves we wouldn't need this list.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#104

Post by verdverm »

tartoran wrote: post #99
verdverm wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I checked my local city, some of the incidents are true, others lack evidence, others seem to lack a brutality component all together (such as firing a pepper all at the ground in front of someone breaking the law. No doubt we have a problem, this is a great start to a collection, but we may want to consider filtering for truth or at least incidents with credible evidence

Before we filter for truth lets train our police force to be less violent because that breads more violence on the other end and we all loose except for the powerheads in charge as well as the real gangsters. Police have no right to be violent, they do get a paycheck for fsake, and they have the law on their side as well. I will respect all cops when they earn it. So far I respect only those I interacted with and wer…

Please refrain from cursing, even if abbreviated. Having civil discourse about a serious issue is easier when we are polite and respectful to each other

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#105

Post by microcolonel »

monocasa wrote: post #101
microcolonel wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When your protest becomes a riot, yes, it is lawful to order dispersal. You have a right to expression, not a right to ransack other people's property (public and private), if you commit the latter in the guise of the former, then you are in the wrong.

And what if the police attack a peaceful protest and create the cover for others to ransack? As I saw with my own eyes occurring.

That too is criminal, it's not a one or the other thing, nor does one justify the other.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#106

Post by monocasa »

microcolonel wrote: post #92
Kiro wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the Swedish BLM protests it was: 1) Peaceful protest 2) Unsavory elements started throwing things at the police 3) The police didn't respond with violence even though clearly attacked and provoked We have problems with race profiling and other issues but I think the big focus on de-escalation in police training helps a lot to avoid the situation we see in the US.

Wonder if it's "just property" when it's your own.

I mean, yeah, it's a common thread in the US legal system as well, that property theft/damage doesn't give you the right to commit violent actions.

Even in castle doctrine states, it's only that their unwelcome presence on your property is an implied threat of violence, not that you're legally allowed to commit violence to protect property. That's why booby traps are universally illegal in the US.

So yes, compared to violence and particularly police brutality, it is "just property". Legally.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by downandout »

As a person that makes decisions based on data, rather than emotions, it would be interesting to see a comparison of the volume of such incidents on both sides. Is there a similar repo of the looting and violence committed by protesters? I think that would give a more accurate picture of all of this. We would then know if the police brutality incidents paled in comparison to violence/looting by the public, or vice versa.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by throwawaysea »

chrismcb wrote: post #88
throwawaysea wrote: post #75

From what I saw on Twitter, most of the videos alleging police using force without reason were misleading, and leaving out all the footage preceding police action. In cases where others uploaded longer videos or different angles, it was clear that protesters were acting illegally, or ignoring clear verbal warnings, or refusing lawful orders to disperse, and so on. By leaving those crucial additional bits out, activis…

"Lawful orders to disperse" is there such a thing? You don't hear about "lawful orders to stop speaking" or "lawful orders to stop practicing a religion " And just because a" clear verbal warming " was issued, doesn't mean it had to be followed, nor does it mean excessive force woukd be used. While I agree that some instances of "peaceful protestors" aren't actually peacful, many are. And in some of the cases where t…

> "Lawful orders to disperse" is there such a thing?

Yes there is such a thing in Seattle. See https://library.municode.com/wa/seattle/codes/municipal_code...

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#109

Post by ebg13 »

downandout wrote: post #107

As a person that makes decisions based on data, rather than emotions, it would be interesting to see a comparison of the volume of such incidents on both sides. Is there a similar repo of the looting and violence committed by protesters? I think that would give a more accurate picture of all of this. We would then know if the police brutality incidents paled in comparison to violence/looting by the public, or vice ve…

> both sides

On one side you have police brutalizing journalists and shooting people in the face. On the other side you have not people getting brutalized by the police. Fair and balanced, I'm sure. Or do you think that shooting people in the face is the appropriate police response to property damage?

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by downandout »

ebg13 wrote: post #109
downandout wrote: post #107

As a person that makes decisions based on data, rather than emotions, it would be interesting to see a comparison of the volume of such incidents on both sides. Is there a similar repo of the looting and violence committed by protesters? I think that would give a more accurate picture of all of this. We would then know if the police brutality incidents paled in comparison to violence/looting by the public, or vice ve…

> both sides On one side you have police brutalizing journalists and shooting people in the face. On the other side you have not people getting brutalized by the police. Fair and balanced, I'm sure. Or do you think that shooting people in the face is the appropriate police response to property damage?

Is this repo limited to police violence against journalists? I didn't pick up on that if it is.
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