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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by verdverm »

wonderwonder wrote: post #74
joejoeshabadoo5 wrote: post #8

I wonder if a database similar to this that documented property crimes, or black on white hate crimes would be allowed to stay up?

I really dont understand this comment and this attitude? Being a police officer is a job, one can choose to change it at any time, it is not even comparable to a race, gender, etc. If your same comment was written about software engineers or plumbers, would it not seem a bit odd? I don't understand the putting a job on a pedestal, especially a job where someone is given the power to violently assault and kill people…

The parent post may be hinting at selective censorship by the platforms, which is their right as a private org. There's a lot of angst around that on both sides in America.

Parent post used bad language if this is their reason for posting. Otherwise it's just antagonistic and unwelcome

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by wonderwonder »

rootusrootus wrote: post #76
wonderwonder wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is the opposite not true on every single police report? Only one sided and often that one sided report is shown to be completely unreliable once cell phone video is provided by witnesses. The police report for Breonna Taylor listed no injuries. Google will display pages of results of police lying about what occurred during violent arrests only to be proven wrong by cell phone footage. Your comment appears as if you m…

> Is the opposite not true on every single police report? How can you tell? Unless you are politically motivated to exaggerate, then all we really know is that there have been some high profile instances where police reports have been falsified. But I don't know how we can reliably expand that to all police reports. Fundamentally, police officers are sworn, and so their word carries more weight than a non-sworn citiz…

Of course every police report is one sided, it represents the police officers description of what happened. Its one sided by its very nature. I am not saying they are all false, merely that they are all one sided.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#83

Post by Kiro »

monocasa wrote: post #66
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

At least in my city, for the protests I attended, this is about the right level of context. The ordering went 1) Peaceful protest 2) Police decide that they need to use extreme amounts of force to break up the peaceful protest 3) Unsavory elements use the cover of the ensuing chaos to loot/burn/tag/etc.

In the Swedish BLM protests it was:

1) Peaceful protest

2) Unsavory elements started throwing things at the police

3) The police didn't respond with violence even though clearly attacked and provoked

We have problems with race profiling and other issues but I think the big focus on de-escalation in police training helps a lot to avoid the situation we see in the US.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#84

Post by ianleeclark »

dx87 wrote: post #69
shuntress wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is open, the crowd will be able to look over pull requests and judge the reasoning/evidence put forth by the pull request to remove an incident as well as the reasons provided by maintainer for the PR's approval/rejection.

We both know that's not going to happen. Just looks at the comments here; every comment that doesn't show unquestioning support is either flagged or grayed out. Police should be be held accountable, but this is just outrage bait.

> Police should be be held accountable, but this is just outrage bait.

This is a good thing. You should be outraged. Emotions are okay to have and express.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#85

Post by enriquto »

There is a similar site for the spanish violence against the catalan referendum of 2017: https://spanishpolice.github.io/

In that case, unfortunately, the videos are only stored on youtube and twitter, so you cannot backup them easily just by cloning the repo.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#86

Post by amznthrwaway »

throwawaysea wrote: post #75

From what I saw on Twitter, most of the videos alleging police using force without reason were misleading, and leaving out all the footage preceding police action. In cases where others uploaded longer videos or different angles, it was clear that protesters were acting illegally, or ignoring clear verbal warnings, or refusing lawful orders to disperse, and so on. By leaving those crucial additional bits out, activis…

@dang -- if you have a single fucking gram of integrity in your body you will ban not only the throwaway account above, but you will also ban their real account.

They made a throwaway account for the express purpose of breaking HN rules and hurting the community.

Dang: borrow some fucking balls and ban a white supremacist for once in your miserable fucking life.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by imajoo »

isbjorn16 wrote: post #62
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

> Not only are you not given the context, but you're only given one side of the story. I'm sure if you asked the police what happened, their story would be completely different. But you're only being allowed to get the story from one side, and that side is insanely politically motivated to exaggerate, and do everything they can to make the police look bad, because it strengths their political positions. Is that... is…

I would expect no less from police, however, these days some "news" seems to be taking select information with no context, or out of context, and then using it to push a certain narrative. I think the point being that we should seek the truth (maybe the wrong word here..) no matter what the source.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by chrismcb »

throwawaysea wrote: post #75

From what I saw on Twitter, most of the videos alleging police using force without reason were misleading, and leaving out all the footage preceding police action. In cases where others uploaded longer videos or different angles, it was clear that protesters were acting illegally, or ignoring clear verbal warnings, or refusing lawful orders to disperse, and so on. By leaving those crucial additional bits out, activis…

"Lawful orders to disperse" is there such a thing? You don't hear about "lawful orders to stop speaking" or "lawful orders to stop practicing a religion " And just because a" clear verbal warming " was issued, doesn't mean it had to be followed, nor does it mean excessive force woukd be used. While I agree that some instances of "peaceful protestors" aren't actually peacful, many are. And in some of the cases where the protestors aren't peaceful, the show off force is exessive.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#89

Post by mamon »

verdverm wrote: post #81
wonderwonder wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really dont understand this comment and this attitude? Being a police officer is a job, one can choose to change it at any time, it is not even comparable to a race, gender, etc. If your same comment was written about software engineers or plumbers, would it not seem a bit odd? I don't understand the putting a job on a pedestal, especially a job where someone is given the power to violently assault and kill people…

The parent post may be hinting at selective censorship by the platforms, which is their right as a private org. There's a lot of angst around that on both sides in America. Parent post used bad language if this is their reason for posting. Otherwise it's just antagonistic and unwelcome

>> selective censorship by the platforms, which is their right as a private org

So, just because they are not government they are allowed to lie and manipulate? Because "selective censorship" is just this: manipulation.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#90

Post by verdverm »

verdverm wrote: post #67
gruez wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. If only there was some sort of recording device that we can put on police officers, and either they can be trusted not to "accidentally" turn it off when an incident occurs or is always-on.

I checked my local city, some of the incidents are true, others lack evidence, others seem to lack a brutality component all together (such as firing a pepper all at the ground in front of someone breaking the law. No doubt we have a problem, this is a great start to a collection, but we may want to consider filtering for truth or at least incidents with credible evidence

I guess people don't like hearing / learning that there are falsehoods and unsubstantiated claims in the data set.

Do you know of any data sets that don't have bad data?

Or maybe down votes because this is not the comment I thought I attached this too... hmm, let me see if I can at least fix that

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