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Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by gruez »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

>You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation.

If only there was some sort of recording device that we can put on police officers, and either they can be trusted not to "accidentally" turn it off when an incident occurs or is always-on.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by isbjorn16 »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

> Not only are you not given the context, but you're only given one side of the story. I'm sure if you asked the police what happened, their story would be completely different. But you're only being allowed to get the story from one side, and that side is insanely politically motivated to exaggerate, and do everything they can to make the police look bad, because it strengths their political positions.

Is that... is that not exactly, precisely, what we should be expecting from the police side as well? I think that's the entire point, isn't it? At best, their credibility has been called into question. At worst, their credibility has been drug out into the street and kneeled on until it expired.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by phaemon »

kgraves wrote: post #25
stonogo wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You made an account to make vague and unsubstantiated accusations of "an agenda," then call protestors "communist street gangs"? Can you please provide actual reference material to back up either the "agenda" claims or the communism stuff?

A BLM leader has openly admitted to being "trained marxists". [0] [1] [0] https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herse... [1] https://youtu.be/HgEUbSzOTZ8?t=52 All of this from a Google search.

I've seen those before. So a basically unknown neo-marxist group gloms onto a grassroots movement. So what? Are you daft enough to think they speak for them now?

And, ffs, what does on earth does "trained marxist" even mean? I repeat my question: is it like a "trained capitalist"? If not, why not?

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by [deleted] »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

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Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#65

Post by theplague42 »

joejoeshabadoo5 wrote: post #8

I wonder if a database similar to this that documented property crimes, or black on white hate crimes would be allowed to stay up?

Crimes committed by civilians are not the same as crimes committed by agents of the state.

Also plenty of crime databases already exist so I can only assume you aren't actually asking a question but instead making a snide comment.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by monocasa »

TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

At least in my city, for the protests I attended, this is about the right level of context. The ordering went

1) Peaceful protest

2) Police decide that they need to use extreme amounts of force to break up the peaceful protest

3) Unsavory elements use the cover of the ensuing chaos to loot/burn/tag/etc.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by verdverm »

gruez wrote: post #61
TheGrim-888 wrote: post #54

Just a reminder that none of this is factual or evidence. It COULD be, but just because somebody writes something doesn't make it true. You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. You can read "Police showed up and fired tear gas and agitated the crowd and…

>You are not given any of the context of what happened in these situations. If there's video the video starts when the conflict is already full swing, you're not seeing anything that led up to the situation. If only there was some sort of recording device that we can put on police officers, and either they can be trusted not to "accidentally" turn it off when an incident occurs or is always-on.

I checked my local city, some of the incidents are true, others lack evidence, others seem to lack a brutality component all together (such as firing a pepper all at the ground in front of someone breaking the law.

No doubt we have a problem, this is a great start to a collection, but we may want to consider filtering for truth or at least incidents with credible evidence

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by GordonS »

_red wrote: post #45
simongg wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a list of police brutality incidents contain information about property crime?

Because often the way these things escalate is police are called because protesters are burning and looting... This is my point: The presentation of this list inherently absolves one-side from any misdeeds.

> Because often the way these things escalate is police are called because protesters are burning and looting

I'm sure that might be the case sometimes, but from the multitude of videos I've seen over the past month or so, it's the police that are doing the escalating - preventing people from their lawful right to protest peacefully, storming into peaceful park protests and dragging people out at random, indiscriminately spraying groups of protestors with pepper spray, shooting numerous people in the chest and face with rubber bullets and lead bean-bags (which should only ever be used at legs), shooting people in the head at point-blank range with flash-bang grenades, firing at several journalists and bystanders, drive-by shootings of bystanders and houses, harassing laywers and others that have called them out, a lot of police obscuring their badge numbers and disabling their bodycams ...

Seriously, the sheer quantity of video evidence is absolutely astounding - and it can only be the tip of the iceberg.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

#69

Post by dx87 »

shuntress wrote: post #57
mtgp1000 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, you think because it's crowdsourced it isn't liable to bias? You think they're going to accept a PR which attempts to remove multiple incidents, for any reason?

Because it is open, the crowd will be able to look over pull requests and judge the reasoning/evidence put forth by the pull request to remove an incident as well as the reasons provided by maintainer for the PR's approval/rejection.

We both know that's not going to happen. Just looks at the comments here; every comment that doesn't show unquestioning support is either flagged or grayed out. Police should be be held accountable, but this is just outrage bait.

Re: Git Repo of Police Brutality During the 2020 George Floyd Protests

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Post by verdverm »

theplague42 wrote: post #65
joejoeshabadoo5 wrote: post #8

I wonder if a database similar to this that documented property crimes, or black on white hate crimes would be allowed to stay up?

Crimes committed by civilians are not the same as crimes committed by agents of the state. Also plenty of crime databases already exist so I can only assume you aren't actually asking a question but instead making a snide comment.

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