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Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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We've been using Linear for a couple months. It's kind of like Superhuman in that the primary benefit is hotkeys. Otherwise it is an issue tracker. I think the reason we see a steady stream of new issue trackers is that teams are trying to fix with software what are people problems. New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you pil…

I tend to agree but I have a anecdotal counterexample. We recently switched from JIRA to Clubhouse by importing our history and backlog wholesale. Due to the substantial performance bump we have definitively leveled up as a team. Status updates that used to happen in slack channels are now captured in Clubhouse, people log in to check on progress, stories get love and details. JIRA cloud was unusably slow and as a re…

I haven't noticed JIRA cloud being that slow, but maybe that's because the team is small.

Did you start to experience performance issues as team size increased? Did you have a lot of issues or data held in the issues? Or was there another issue that you think led to the slowness?

I'm interested in your insights as we went with JIRA initially, since it was pretty much the gold standard and we thought it would scale nicely as we added team members, but if it is not going to do so, then it may not be worth the JIRA premium.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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I tend to agree but I have a anecdotal counterexample. We recently switched from JIRA to Clubhouse by importing our history and backlog wholesale. Due to the substantial performance bump we have definitively leveled up as a team. Status updates that used to happen in slack channels are now captured in Clubhouse, people log in to check on progress, stories get love and details. JIRA cloud was unusably slow and as a re…

> JIRA cloud was unusably slow and as a result we didn’t want to use the tool. We hated it even though it technically “worked”. - every JIRA customer ever

We're a JIRA customer and we're quite happy. It's not slow, at least to any degree that matters.

We're not a huge team, nor do use much more than tickets with FishEye integration though. We also have a self-hosted instance.

But for us it has worked quite well, and I have better memories of JIRA than say MantisBT which I used before.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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Is the desktop app native?

No, it’s just electron. I don’t see the benefit over making it a PWA or even just a regular self-hosted web app.

The download page says only macOS is currently supported. Electron supports Windows and Linux quite well - any ETA on when you will be adding these platforms?

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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All issue trackers can be placed on a spectrum: one end is occupied by very fast and very simple apps, another by complex and flexible ones.

Fast ones win in the ease of creation of an issue (just type and hit enter), and generally feel more sexy and attractive, but complex ones can be set up to the exact workflow you need.

For example, Google tasks or now-dead service do.com by Salesforce clearly belong to 'easy' end, and software like Redmine to 'complex' (though it can be made to look rather attractive by the use of skins).

For us, we're sticking to redmine, because it is good and very extendable by the use of plugins. We've found that ease of use does not cover for the reduced flexibility.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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been using Linear for 3 months at my new company.

Honestly, I don't really see the value over any other tools (Jira, Trello, Asana, Monday, etc).

Sure they have a command palette and the UI is pretty fast (like Trello) which is nice but you still need too many clicks/keyboard shortcuts for simple tasks like adding 2+ issues.

Their Slack integration is also non existent. You can't create issues based on a conversation for example.

So overall, I will keep using it but will probably not evangelized it or bring it with me to another company.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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We've been using Linear for a couple months. It's kind of like Superhuman in that the primary benefit is hotkeys. Otherwise it is an issue tracker. I think the reason we see a steady stream of new issue trackers is that teams are trying to fix with software what are people problems. New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you pil…

I tend to agree but I have a anecdotal counterexample. We recently switched from JIRA to Clubhouse by importing our history and backlog wholesale. Due to the substantial performance bump we have definitively leveled up as a team. Status updates that used to happen in slack channels are now captured in Clubhouse, people log in to check on progress, stories get love and details. JIRA cloud was unusably slow and as a re…

I was a JIRA admin for a number of years for an organization that had a heavy QA workflow. It was all about making sure that every issue had an "owner," at any given time, a strict approval and verification process was followed, and that as much up-front data as possible was collected during the initial report.

In my experience, unless the people entering the issues are paid, professional engineers, we'll never get the information we need up front.

I have found that the basic GitHub model works well for me.

When someone reports a bug, they are doing me a favor. It's in my interest to ensure there are as few roadblocks as possible to them sending a report. If they give contact info, then I can contact them with specific questions.

In my experience, a simple email form is the best way to solicit reports. It may have a workflow hidden behind it, but I have found that the simpler the workflow is, the more likely it is that the issue tracking will work.

JIRA basically starts off complicated, and it's possible to make it much, much worse.

It's also slow, but that wasn't really the problem we had. The workflows and forms were where it fell down for us.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it’s just electron. I don’t see the benefit over making it a PWA or even just a regular self-hosted web app.

The download page says only macOS is currently supported. Electron supports Windows and Linux quite well - any ETA on when you will be adding these platforms?

We are working on this. We have some test build, but each platform adds bit complexity to the build process so looking to automate better first.

All Linear features, including the offline mode works on the browser tool.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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We've been using Linear for a couple months. It's kind of like Superhuman in that the primary benefit is hotkeys. Otherwise it is an issue tracker. I think the reason we see a steady stream of new issue trackers is that teams are trying to fix with software what are people problems. New issue trackers feel faster for the same reason switching browsers tends to feel faster—you're getting rid of all of the crap you pil…

Slightly OT thought, but related to ticket tracking systems and the idea of reduced backlogs:

As we move more and more towards ubiquitous "Product Orgs," separate from engineering, I think we're seeing backlogs just explode in size at most places. People need to realize that a large engineering backlog has a lot of negative effects on the SDLC (& velocity) as a whole. I wish more people would embrace heavy-handed WIP limits, even for backlog.

But, since backlog is now the primary output of "product orgs" at many (less-than-great) companies, you now have an entire org whose jobs depend on not learning that lesson.

I don't know what the answer is, but I really am starting to hate this entire "product org" concept in general. It feels like we used to be able to just engineer our way around many of these challenges ("here, look what I built last week to justify my case"), or just get people into a room and talking. But once the decision channels become explicitly siloed off into a separate org with C-Suite-level autonomy, I'm not sure how you effectively bridge the gaps that form.

Any engineers who feel like having a separate product org has been a benefit to your company's product quality and delivery speed want to comment on how you see this sort of thing working effectively?

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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Founder here. Here to answer any questions you might have. We built Linear as we’re frustrated the practices and the available tools when it came to managing software projects. On the product, we especially tackled the performance problem. Everything is synced to the client and we sync just delta packages between the cloud and client as changes happen. This way all actions a happen instantly and navigating around the…

We've been using Linear for an 8-person engineering team for the last few months, and I just want to say thank you -- we've really loved it. The well-designed app with hotkeys makes managing tickets and cycles so fast that it doesn't interrupt your concentration to update a ticket and continue working. It's really brought the fun back to engineering management.

Awesome to hear! We also think that little annoyances really hurt the team productivity over time. Especially in tools that you use daily.

Re: Linear – A fast issue tracker

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Founder here. Here to answer any questions you might have. We built Linear as we’re frustrated the practices and the available tools when it came to managing software projects. On the product, we especially tackled the performance problem. Everything is synced to the client and we sync just delta packages between the cloud and client as changes happen. This way all actions a happen instantly and navigating around the…

Hello. Looks good on the screenshots, I'd love to try it for my team but the signup link somehow sends me to Google instead of signup. /s How do I try it?

On a side note, I use Edge on a Mac and the signup page doesn't detect my browser as compatible; it's just Chromium inside, must be totally compatible with everything.

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