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Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by clojureyoureyes »

brandonmenc wrote: post #239
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #144

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I needed to hear that; articles like this give me FOMO for emacs and lisp and the like, but the learning curve intimidates me. It wouldn't be the first task tracking application I'd be trying. Right now I use intellij for my main development work; I use some keyboard combinations where applicable (and changed the keymap to Sublime Text because I've used it and its derivatives (vs code mainly) for the better part of m…

> articles like this give me FOMO for emacs and lisp and the like, but the learning curve intimidates me Lisp is great and you should learn it. (If you want.) You don't need emacs for that - just find a scheme interpreter in a web browser [0] and start reading SICP [1] until you get bored. That's all the effort you need to get the mind-expanding effect. This approach is also way more fun. If you really like it, move…

> Because the MacBook trackpads are so precise

But you to have to know where to click. And that's the biggest problem with so-called "modern" UIs - it lacks discoverability. Either you memorize all menus and dialogs, or you have to seek out the functionality you need each time you can't remember anything. And sometimes these dialogs change, so you have to rediscover everything once again.

In Emacs, it's enough only to remember basic movement shortcuts. The rest of commands could be discovered easily with M-x and which-keys.

> You don't need emacs for that - just find a scheme interpreter in a web browser [0] and start reading SICP [1] until you get bored. That's all the effort you need to get the mind-expanding effect.

One of the main reasons I moved to Emacs (11 years ago) was Common Lisp and SLIME.

> If you really like it, move on to a "real" Lisp.

A real(world) Lisp is Clojure these days

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by clojureyoureyes »

komali2 wrote: post #72
svnpenn wrote: post #37

Does anyone know of a small Emacs distribution? I would like to get into Emacs, but its hard to justify 114 MB: https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/emacs-26 Versus Vim 18 MB: https://github.com/vim/vim-win32-installer/releases

I don't know of a "small" Emacs distribution. You can have Vim in Emacs with Evil Mode. IMO Emacs bindings are terrible no matter what and modal editing saved my career from an early death by wrist injury. But on top of Vim bindings you also get an entire, programmable IDE. I guess it's kinda big but like, so are most IDEs? But you can get many features at a lighter weight than other ones. Like yea if literally the o…

> and modal editing saved my career from an early death by wrist injury

The fun thing is I stopped experiencing wrist pain after I switched from Vim to Emacs (with ±native bindings), partly because I moved Ctrl to Caps almost instantly, partly because I stopped using a lot 3rd party apps (e.g. XMPP/IRC clients) which required mouse.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by brandonmenc »

clojureyoureyes wrote: post #251
brandonmenc wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> articles like this give me FOMO for emacs and lisp and the like, but the learning curve intimidates me Lisp is great and you should learn it. (If you want.) You don't need emacs for that - just find a scheme interpreter in a web browser [0] and start reading SICP [1] until you get bored. That's all the effort you need to get the mind-expanding effect. This approach is also way more fun. If you really like it, move…

> Because the MacBook trackpads are so precise But you to have to know where to click. And that's the biggest problem with so-called "modern" UIs - it lacks discoverability. Either you memorize all menus and dialogs, or you have to seek out the functionality you need each time you can't remember anything. And sometimes these dialogs change, so you have to rediscover everything once again. In Emacs, it's enough only t…

> In Emacs, it's enough only to remember basic movement shortcuts. The rest of commands could be discovered easily with M-x and which-keys.

afaik every modern IDE has this discoverability functionality. I use shift-shift and control-control autocomplete command menus all the time in JetBrains.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by nemoniac »

noahl wrote: post #176
iLemming wrote: post #115

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> emacs outshines all other editing software in approximately the same way that the noonday sun does the stars What makes Emacs genuinely great? Not that it was built a long time ago and withstood the test of time. Not the fact that it is absolutely free to use, distribute and extend. Not that it doesn't have tons of bugs (it does), or has superb support for every known programming language (it does not). To understa…

I have a suspicion, which I have never verified, that the things that make emacs great are basically the things that made Lisp Machines great back when those were a thing - that emacs is best viewed as a Lisp Machine embedded in a modern operating system. I never used a real Lisp Machine, but I'd love if someone who did can confirm this.

Lisp machines were indeed a whole other level. Everything integrated with everything. We're getting closer though with emacs in stumpwm and eaf. There's plenty of room for scope in extending stumpwm.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by komali2 »

clojureyoureyes wrote: post #252
komali2 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know of a "small" Emacs distribution. You can have Vim in Emacs with Evil Mode. IMO Emacs bindings are terrible no matter what and modal editing saved my career from an early death by wrist injury. But on top of Vim bindings you also get an entire, programmable IDE. I guess it's kinda big but like, so are most IDEs? But you can get many features at a lighter weight than other ones. Like yea if literally the o…

> and modal editing saved my career from an early death by wrist injury The fun thing is I stopped experiencing wrist pain after I switched from Vim to Emacs (with ±native bindings), partly because I moved Ctrl to Caps almost instantly, partly because I stopped using a lot 3rd party apps (e.g. XMPP/IRC clients) which required mouse.

Oh interesting - the Ctrl caps change was something I picked up when first playing with emacs (before I knew any vim) and it was a game changer for me, even though I was just using mostly native vscode bindings at that time. I used to think even if I didn't end up switching to emacs, it'd always at least have given me that.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by bananamerica »

_emacsomancer_ wrote: post #237
bananamerica wrote: post #200

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I run Emacs as a daemon but I need two sets of configurations because many colors and keybindings won’t work on the terminal.

You can run multiple daemons of course.

Complexity intensifies... hahaha

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by iLemming »

tetris11 wrote: post #41
taeric wrote: post #23

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If all you think it needs are sensible defaults, try just bending said defaults. I'm somewhat curious what choices of Stallman's you think are holding it back. Feels more alive to me than it has ever felt. And that branch that is using gcc to compile elisp is a delight. I concede I expect there are choices made that could be bad; but I suspect most of the choices people think matter, don't. Which is why i highlight t…

This. How is Stallman holding back the UX?

He ain't holding it back. He's stalling it. He's the Stall-Man after all.

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by codygman »

brandonmenc wrote: post #232
codygman wrote: post #221

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> > I am afraid I'm missing something. > You are not You are missing an entire world treated as text and a consistent and an endlessly configurable interface for everything you can pull into your emacs Borg. See this comment too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23673299 Note, many still use emacs for what the GP described and more.

Yes, but you don't like, need that to be, I dunno, a complete programmer or person. Which is how the "cult" (tongue-in-cheek) treats it, and why this person has FOMO. There are tons of examples of programming wizards and productivity gurus who don't use emacs. And you'll encounter lots of people who can't get shit done but who fiddle endlessly with emacs or vi or whatever configs and believe they have some super effi…

> Yes, but you don't like, need that to be, I dunno, a complete programmer or person.

Yeah? I'm not sure how meaningful this argument is here since you can just get by with nano and a terminal.

> Which is how the "cult" (tongue-in-cheek) treats it, and why this person has FOMO.

I frequent the places that the "cultists" would most likely be and the prevailing theme is "if your workflow works, keep it, but emacs could do X for you".

> There are tons of examples of programming wizards and productivity gurus who don't use emacs.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean Emacs wouldn't make them less or more productive.

I don't think I've seen the "you need emacs" strawman your arguing against in practice.

> And you'll encounter lots of people who can't get shit done but who fiddle endlessly with emacs or vi or whatever configs and believe they have some super efficient direct connection from their brain to their computer.

Would those people be more or less productive without emacs? I find answering questions like this for myself difficult, I can't imagine trying to decide others would be better off not using an editor.

Isn't saying lots of people exist that would be more productive without the kind of presumption that annoyed you from the Emacs cult?

> Some of the best, most productive programmers I know use notepad, and some of the worst use emacs. ymmv.

Right, which is why I commented what the other user was missing and not "you need this".

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by 2drawnonward5 »

_mlxl wrote: post #151
sverhagen wrote: post #145

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I think that most companies would not find it adequate for the compliance regulations to be implemented "client-side". Mine would certainly answer your question: "how would you do the following in Sublime" with: "not at all", or: "please don't". As for your former point of configurability; all power to you; I think that there is a spectrum where many folks choose to be more on the end of the spectrum where there is p…

You are missing the forest for the trees here - and I imagine that's by choice. I'm not saying emacs shines as an audit trail - I am saying the processes by which you work can be incorporated within emacs very easily, in a way that is unmatched. I can see why people tend to ignore questions around specificity of why they like emacs - the goalposts never stop moving.

Why do you imagine it's by choice? It was requested that someone come up with an example of what you can do in Emacs that you can't do in Sublime and the examples given were unrealistic. Do you have a more realistic scenario where Emacs could do something Sublime, or VS Code, or Atom could not?

Re: Life is 90% of my use cases for org-mode

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Post by dang »

random_cynic wrote: post #190
iLemming wrote: post #188

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I have a job. But thank you for your concern.

I meant a real job. Bullsh*ting on internet still doesn't count as one.

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