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The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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I think it's serving as shorthand for "in a country halfway around the world, with a government that isn't going to intervene on your behalf as a foreigner even if you figure out who did it and hand them the evidence on a silver platter".

Right, it wasn't necessarily hateful on purpose, but as another poster pointed out, what does it mean that we default to using one specific group of people for that example? If they'd said "PRC hacker" it'd be a different story, but the word "Chinese" conflates a nationality and heritage. It does this, by the way, in written Chinese as well, hence a lot of arguments I've had in the past with PRC-citizen exchange stud…

I find your worry interesting and mildly humorous. You seem to be worried about hurting the feelings of chinese people for personal western moral reasons, but seem fine with insulting the PRC.

Personally, given that the Chinese will likely dominate the world over the course of the next century, I'd be less worried about insults for ethical/antiracism reasons (they're going to be the ascendant ethnicity and culture soon, don't worry- they'll be fine!) and more worried about insulting them or the PRC for reasons of self-preservation.

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lol no you're not. call them up and they'll fix it.

If you wire the money to the wrong account? No, you're SOL unless the receiving bank and receiving account decides to reverse the transaction, which is fairly rare.

I've had people send me $ to the wrong account, and it gets rejected by the receiving bank, I believe because the name / information doesn't match what's listed on the receiving bank.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Anecdote, but I once ran a blog for many years. Country breakdown for traffic was roughly 30% China, 30% Russia, and 30% US. Almost 100% of requests out of China and Russia were hacking attempts, I assume mostly by bots. They've earned a reputation and there's nothing wrong pointing it out. If you operate a website, unless China and Russia are part of your market/audience, I'd suggest blocking them altogether.

What if all the hacking actually originated from America? They just compromised a bunch of random computers in China and Russia, running an old copy of Windows XP, and built themselves a botnet. What further evidence do you have, other than an IP address?

Even if that was the case, China/Russia having a bunch of vulnerable computers being used as proxy botnets would still be alarming.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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You do have to trust yourself to have 100% flawless security because one slip and you lose that $1B to a Chinese hacker with no hope of ever getting it back.

This happens all the time with wire transfers. It's no different. Banks don't care. Example: https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2018/05/24/central-florida...

I didn't see where the banks are at fault in the above article. It appeared that the woman received a fraudulent email on where to wire the money. This fraudulent email did not come from the banks. So, how could they be liable if she provided them bad information? GIGO. I'm not saying banks care, just this article doesn't highlight that very well.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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I'm a Bitcoin skeptic, and much of my skepticism is around the practicality of use for day-to-day transactions. Seeing low fees is very encouraging to me - the last I had checked, fees were in the several to many dollars range. Now if they can hammer out the volatility, figure out a simple UX, encourage adoption at most places of business, and increase trust in exchanges for USD conversions, I'm on board.

And then, what kind of important benefit does it bring us that the USD or any other currency can't give us?

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Why does this mean anything. The average electronic transaction in shops and online in The Netherlands is a fraction of the cost of that.

Maybe it's different for higher amounts of money, but it doesn't matter.

Bitcoin is a solution to a problem nobody has figured out yet.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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You don't seem to know much about banking and large sums of money in practice. Let me give you an example which I know exists: EU airliner buys an airplane at Boeing. How do you transfer the money? This is how they do it today: They are at Boeing where the transfer needs to go through. The money needs to be transferred then and there. So airliner calls their bank to transfer the money. But there is a 9 hour differenc…

That’s not how large transfers work at all though. Banks have international agreements, or go through 3rd parties that have. You’ll also never be expected to pay right then and there, if you’re a respectable enterprise entity, the other part will expect you to pay and the funds to arrive within reasonable time, which can be half a year later. As for the transfers themselves, they are typically free. You’re such a big…

That walkback depends on trust, honor, and suability between all actors involved. You can walk back a bitcoin transaction, too, if you have those preconditions. Just ask the other guy to send the money back.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Why does this mean anything. The average electronic transaction in shops and online in The Netherlands is a fraction of the cost of that. Maybe it's different for higher amounts of money, but it doesn't matter. Bitcoin is a solution to a problem nobody has figured out yet.

The meaning is that for 48 cents, anyone may participate in a global transaction network that cannot freeze or restrict your transactions. Banks have a habit of monitoring and interfering with transactions because they are heavily regulated.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Unpopular opinion: why do we care so much about making it cheaper for rich people to move money around? Do we think somehow that will “trickle down” to us mere mortals and put western union and their ilk out of business?

Wire transfers, between banks, can cost something like 20-50$ depending on who you are transferring too, and if it is across countries.

Rich people don't have to care about a 20$ fee. Poor people do though.

Re: The largest unknown Bitcoin wallet moved nearly $1B for $0.48 in fees

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Anecdote, but I once ran a blog for many years. Country breakdown for traffic was roughly 30% China, 30% Russia, and 30% US. Almost 100% of requests out of China and Russia were hacking attempts, I assume mostly by bots. They've earned a reputation and there's nothing wrong pointing it out. If you operate a website, unless China and Russia are part of your market/audience, I'd suggest blocking them altogether.

Just wanted to second this. I ran several public Linux servers at a major university. China and Russia based IPs we’re constantly trying to brute force all of our servers. It got the point where we would just apply a geoblock just in case one finally managed to get through. I’m all for avoiding nationalistic dog whistles when discussing things, but both China and Russia have rightfully earned their places as bad acto…

Change your statement to read “black” instead of Chinese and see if you still think it’s OK.

The crime is hacking, and your attempts to “expose” Chinese hackers is more like an agenda to prejudice Chinese even if statistically many Chinese-originated traffic is attempting to hack you.

In the chance that the hacking is actually caused by American hackers routing their traffic through China, then what purpose does your Chinese assumption serve except to encourage others to profile and prejudice Chinese?

In a more realistic example of how your comments may incite racial prejudice for no good reason is that it is actually very likely the biggest botnets have Chinese victims (because they are poor, run Windows XP still, and generally have very poor internet security practices). Oh, and also they happen to have the most people on Earth, so statistically any given thing would be mostly Chinese.

So, unless you are absolutely certain that being Chinese makes you a criminal hacker I would recommend leaving race or nationality out of the discussion.

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