Firefox 78 • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by weaksauce » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:36 PM UTC

needle0 wrote: post #23

Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

"Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with bottomless pockets." Exactly this. Sure Firefox sometimes isn't the absolute best in a given characteristic, but it's still a damn good browser overall, and the concern over the encroaching Chromium monoculture is more than enough to keep me using…

I haven't found firefoxe's dev tools to be much different than chrome's... and you can use chrome for a particular debugging issue or development. I think firefox is a great daily driver.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by logie17 » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:39 PM UTC

Very nice - the PIP functionality is something I've been looking forward to with more browser support.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by hinkley » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:40 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #141

jiggawatts wrote: post #37

Wow, they finally got around to fixing a certificate-handling issue. That must have closed a bunch of decade-old bugzilla issues. Now if they could just get around to supporting intermediate CA certificates and all of the Windows certificate stores, not just a couple of randomly chosen ones, that would be swell. Also, IPv6 support in PAC files would be nice. If any Mozilla employees come to YC News: Unimportant-seemi…

> Unimportant-seeming stuff like this is why Chrome crushed Firefox in the Enterprise. This isn't why. At work I deal with two different vendors who refuse to troubleshoot any issues with their products on anything but Chrome. To this day, the issue has never been a browser compatibility issue, but we have to actually temporarily give the user a Chromium-based browser just to get a modicum of decent support these day…

We got Firefox in the first place due to insubordination by developers, many of whom were told that we were only going to support IE.

But it was easier to debug on Mozilla so it got supported first because you could eliminate 90% of the bugs before ever having to touch IE.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by tandr » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

gganley wrote: post #160

So I'm on macOS using Safari for web browsing, chrome for work (web app + backend). I'm on the younger side so chrome has been omnipresent. I do not mean to understate the importance of privacy in the modern web, so don't misunderstand my question. Why would someone, as a developer and a user, want to use Firefox over Safari (mostly) and Chrome (for work).

1. uBlock Origin, and some other extensions. 2. Ability to tweak css a bit, and get multi-row tabs (that was primary reason for me)

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by pessimizer » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

> Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with bottomless pockets.

The company behind Chrome also supports Firefox. And will continue to, for fear of their browser dominance being used against them within an antitrust action.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

StyloBill wrote: post #112

wincent wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to switch to Firefox, but after several weeks the thing that pushed me back was janky scrolling. It seems like a trivial thing, but it absolutely drove me first up the wall, and then back to Chrome.

Yeah I try FF every 6 months to see if the scrolling has improved and each and every time I go back to using Chrome after a few days. I wouldn't say it's bad but it's noticeably worse than Chrome and I just can't get over it. Exact same thing for FF on Android.

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Re: Firefox 78

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:44 PM UTC

kbrosnan wrote: post #147

furbyhater wrote: post #121

"We've disabled old TLS connections and insecure cipher-schemes, so websites which used to work will now display an error" doesn't really sound like an improvement for the user. I'd rather see a warning detailing the situation and asking me if I want to proceed (maybe I don't care about encryption when visiting the particular site).

There has been a bypassable error for TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for several months. There have been error messages in devtools. In October of 2018 the browser vendors jointly announced that this change was coming. [1][2] This is happening in coordination with Chrome. The sites that are affected by this have had nearly 2 years to sort out their upgrade to TLS 1.2 or 1.3. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2018/10/15/removing…

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Re: Firefox 78

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Post by techntoke » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:46 PM UTC

Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

Mozilla has continually put Linux last in nearly everything they do. Hardware acceleration on Linux has been absent but works on Chromium. Wayland support is broken with noticeable artifacts but works on Chromium. In their recent VPN announcement there is no support for Linux. In their password manager announcement revamp they don't support Linux. Why would I support a company that doesn't put open source first?

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by tandr » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

furbyhater wrote: post #121

"We've disabled old TLS connections and insecure cipher-schemes, so websites which used to work will now display an error" doesn't really sound like an improvement for the user. I'd rather see a warning detailing the situation and asking me if I want to proceed (maybe I don't care about encryption when visiting the particular site).

yeah... means now I need to figure out how to connect to that old cable modem+router to change settings - it was born before TLS 1.3 ,and still works perfectly. Same for some other older networked devices that cannot be upgraded.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by tandr » Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 5:48 PM UTC

elric wrote: post #130

DanCarvajal wrote: post #28

I see their still pushing Pocket recommendations, I still find that choice baffling.

Indeed. And there's still no way to actually remove Pocket. I'll never understand why this isn't shipped as a plugin.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/disable-or-re-enable-po...