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Re: Firefox 78

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

jiggawatts wrote: post #37

Wow, they finally got around to fixing a certificate-handling issue. That must have closed a bunch of decade-old bugzilla issues. Now if they could just get around to supporting intermediate CA certificates and all of the Windows certificate stores, not just a couple of randomly chosen ones, that would be swell. Also, IPv6 support in PAC files would be nice. If any Mozilla employees come to YC News: Unimportant-seemi…

> Unimportant-seeming stuff like this is why Chrome crushed Firefox in the Enterprise.

This isn't why. At work I deal with two different vendors who refuse to troubleshoot any issues with their products on anything but Chrome. To this day, the issue has never been a browser compatibility issue, but we have to actually temporarily give the user a Chromium-based browser just to get a modicum of decent support these days.

Both vendors, of course, tell us we should just use Chrome because it's the only browser they support. (Even though other browsers work fine.) And unfortunately, most IT staffers end up getting directed by superiors to follow said instructions.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by cpeterso »

StyloBill wrote: post #112
wincent wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wanted to switch to Firefox, but after several weeks the thing that pushed me back was janky scrolling. It seems like a trivial thing, but it absolutely drove me first up the wall, and then back to Chrome.

Yeah I try FF every 6 months to see if the scrolling has improved and each and every time I go back to using Chrome after a few days. I wouldn't say it's bad but it's noticeably worse than Chrome and I just can't get over it. Exact same thing for FF on Android.

Which platform are you seeing janky scrolling? On desktop, you might try enabling WebRender (set about:config pref gfx.webrender.all = true).

On Android, you might try the Firefox Beta. It is the new "Fenix" browser that is a big perf improvement over the older Firefox Android ("Fennec") browser. All Fennec users will eventually be migrated to the new Firefox Fenix browser this year, but you can try Fenix in Beta now. Installed along Fennec as a separate app, it won't overwrite your Fennec user data.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fi...

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by Munky-Necan »

atombender wrote: post #139

I switched from Brave to Firefox recently, and I'm very happy! I perceive it as faster, and feature-wise it's pretty much equivalent. It's made some enormous performance improvements. Firefox still has some rough issues. It doesn't always feel like a native app (e.g. form fields, toolbar, preferences), and its visual touches (e.g. the main toolbar) are sometimes heavy-handed. In other areas, such as the "omnibar" beh…

I tried to use Brave for a little bit, but it felt like I was apart of a meme. The browser is fine, but it felt invasive and awkward. I can't put my finger on why it made me feel this way; something was just... off.

Firefox and Safari are my two main stays now. Both have privacy focus, although one takes privacy significantly more seriously. They are both phenomenal browsers in my opinion.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by wyoh »

regularfry wrote: post #134
wyoh wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There also an extension called Sidebery [1][2] which is a lighter alternative to TST. I've found that TST was making my Firefox hang several seconds before loading all my tabs. [1]: https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery [2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

There's also an extension whose name I forget (but should be easy enough to find for the sufficiently motivated) which unloads background tabs so they're not taking up resources unless you switch to them. Made a huge difference when I installed it.

Dormancy https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dormancy/

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by driverdan »

akerro wrote: post #11

Pocket is great and totally deserves more promotion. I know this will trigger a lot of people saying it's spyware, I used to think that too, but then I embraced it and it's great for bookmarking, syncthing tabs, reading news as podcasts on mobile etc. It's great.

I like and use Pocket but one of the first things I do after installing Firefox is disable Pocket recommendations. It shouldn't be calling external services like that without the user explicitly opting in.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by DanCarvajal »

uallo wrote: post #47
DanCarvajal wrote: post #28

I see their still pushing Pocket recommendations, I still find that choice baffling.

> I still find that choice baffling Why?

Why would I want content recommendations from my browser, especially Firefox? It's an utterly bizarre feature to ad.

It didn't make sense for Google to have done it but it especially didn't make sense for Mozilla to play the "me too" game. It's a waste of money and developer resources and frankly shows poor stewardship on the part of management.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by kbrosnan »

furbyhater wrote: post #121

"We've disabled old TLS connections and insecure cipher-schemes, so websites which used to work will now display an error" doesn't really sound like an improvement for the user. I'd rather see a warning detailing the situation and asking me if I want to proceed (maybe I don't care about encryption when visiting the particular site).

There has been a bypassable error for TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for several months. There have been error messages in devtools. In October of 2018 the browser vendors jointly announced that this change was coming. [1][2] This is happening in coordination with Chrome. The sites that are affected by this have had nearly 2 years to sort out their upgrade to TLS 1.2 or 1.3.

[1] https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2018/10/15/removing-old-ve... [2] https://blog.chromium.org/2019/10/chrome-ui-for-deprecating-...

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by driverdan »

furbyhater wrote: post #121

"We've disabled old TLS connections and insecure cipher-schemes, so websites which used to work will now display an error" doesn't really sound like an improvement for the user. I'd rather see a warning detailing the situation and asking me if I want to proceed (maybe I don't care about encryption when visiting the particular site).

Unfortunately most users don't have enough knowledge to make an informed decision like that. It's better to keep users secure by disabling insecure ciphers.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by defnotashton2 »

I want to use Firefox but find the plug in system to be unusable and therefore prefer a chromium based solution. I have 30+extensions, many developer based, many for privacy and blocking, and many new ones to prevent sites from dictating my behavior like blocking copy and pasting of text. But the most important one is a plug in manager that allows me to to toggle on/off individual plug-ins from the sidebar with two clicks. FFs plug in page is atrocious. It's a Giant infinite scroll page that takes several clicks to do anything and I don't think ctrl f works so I have to scroll and look.. Nope. I just can't.

In an age where the web is becoming more hostile to users by hiding and controlling the info, and forcing things like amqp, I think plug-ins are really the only override to enable user agency and Firefox plug in management is very immature.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by DanCarvajal »

foepys wrote: post #76
DanCarvajal wrote: post #28

I see their still pushing Pocket recommendations, I still find that choice baffling.

You can just remove them from the start page. I did and they never came back by themselves. My new tab page is completely empty aside from the cogs icon to configure it.

Always the first thing I turn of on a new install of Firefox.
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