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The End of the Redis Adventure

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Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by sagichmal »

wokwokwok wrote: post #35
JamesSwift wrote: post #21

Dang. I say this frequently both online and when discussing system design with newer devs, but will repeat here: of all the production issues I've debugged, the culprit has has never been redis. In fact, redis has been a critical piece of achieving cost-effective scaling. It is one of only two pieces of software (along with postgres) that I blindly recommend without any caveats. From following along here and on your…

Redis is simple. Good. Has a nice api. Has good libraries. Single threadsed. Extremely hard to scale. Impossibly difficult to cluster in containers because it uses hard coded ips to address nodes. Performs poorly with large payloads. Doesn't run on windows properly. Is extremely expensive as a hosted service (orders of magnitude in some cases, eg. azure). You'll love it until you don't. The scaling and clustering sto…

Redis is extremely simple to scale. Treat each instance in a cluster as wholly independent from other instances, and build a thin layer on top to implement whatever sharding and availability requirements your use case requires. I've done it many times and it's always been simple and worked brilliantly. Redis's predictability makes it a joy to operate.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by mook »

1_player wrote: post #101
sitkack wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does FreeBSD have a BDFL? We don't have enough data points to determine if what you are saying is correct. I have also seen lots of BDFL projects smoke out. Is the lesson that actual dictatorships only survive long term if 1) the dictator is a nice person and 2) they eventually get managed by an open democratic process? I think you are actually describing the two clocks problem. Lots of BDFL projects have their own C…

A (software) dictator is not necessarily good. But let me double down and say that a community cannot create a product as good as a single head at the top can do, for the single reason that people care only about their own garden, and integration needs someone to oversee and be responsible for all parts. There is no Steve Jobs in a democratic committee.

Cannot seems rather strong. I haven't been paying very much attention, but I was under the impression that Postgres doesn't have a dictator?

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by seemslegit »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

You are a unique kind of hero of a unique age.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by throwaway894345 »

patcon wrote: post #122
jp_sc wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it is, but it's the kind of bigotry nowadays some people evangelize as good (by redefining racism), and what the twitter mob encourages.

Chain of events: I was tempted to try a respectful reply with substance, but then realized I wouldn't be allowed to discuss this here, due to moderator preference for "not talking politics". I was then [regrettably] tempted to write something with a "mic drop" feel, just to express my disagreement in an acceptably pithy way. And then it occurred to me that this whole sub-thread is Twitter-length comments. And I was a…

FWIW, I probably disagree with you, but I wish we could talk about these things in a civil way. I think the PC/cancel-culture prohibition about discussing this stuff is a real impediment toward progress. Further, I don't envy the moderators since it's hard to keep things civil--bad actors on both sides come out of the woodwork. Anyway, have an upvote as a small gesture of peace and kindness in a world where disagreements are supposed to make us bitter enemies.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by MR4D »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

Thank you, and kudos for keeping at it for so long!

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by progx »

Building a thing is fun, maintain not. Especially if it is a tool, a tool for a specific problem and it solved it. But people want more and more functionality. Then you work on things you never wanted to do.

You take the exit, i can fully understand it.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by psankar »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

You are a hero sir and thanks for all the effort that you have contributed for redis. Someday, I too hope to create a project that would touch at least a fraction of as many people as redis did. You are a big inspiration. All the best for whatever you want to do next.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by cletus »

eric_b wrote: post #50

So they're moving to a new "community based", "light governance" model. [1] There are plenty of problems with BDFL-style projects, but I think there are a lot of advantages too. Redis is unique in my experience in that it works the way you'd expect - it doesn't cause outages, it is fast, and it has a vanishingly small number of gotchas. The feature set is well curated and for the most part fits together cohesively. T…

I 100% agree with you and I think it explains why most OSS UI projects are, well, terrible. Questionable features, inconsistent UX, millions of "options"... these are the hallmarks of a community model lacking strong leadership and a coherent vision.

As for the future of Redis I choose to be more optimistic. I think the Redis philosophy (thanks to Antirez) has become ingrained. The benefits of a minimal feature set are hopefully well-established.

In the very least I suspect this will last much longer than many expect before the bureaucrats take over.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by tasuki »

antirez wrote: post #78

Ok, so many thank you here, thanks! It's very nice to read the comments here. But I hope to interact more on HN, since basically the idea is to write more blog posts, write more OSS software too. Just totally random :D I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time. Then maybe I'll find a new long term interest.

Thank you! And this is a very good idea:

> I'll just do whatever every morning I want to do for a long time.

Re: The End of the Redis Adventure

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Post by exikyut »

dilandau wrote: post #118
antirez wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep it's the open source, and in general the "spontaneous" development world, that happens without big money, just for hacking. This "place" once was kinda free and not observed much. Now you can't say anything, if you don't respect a good practice (LOL) people yell at you on Twitter. Even saying that commenting is a good idea is a problem. Not cool.

Lowering the barriers to open-source contribution has allowed in people who have absolutely no business being there. If you have standards, you get accused of gate-keeping. Thanks for mentioning the T- website specifically, it takes a lot of courage to call it out directly these days, because all it takes is one of them with a lot of followers and then you get swamped with hate. It's fucking unreal man. There's a ton…

Where is "down here"?
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