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Re: Firefox 78

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Post by wyoh »

whereistimbo wrote: post #31
snide wrote: post #25

I recently tried to move to Firefox (again). I try to to this every couple years. I run into the same three blockers every time. 1. The omnibar completion isn't as good. Chrome figures out where I go pretty regularly, and autocompletes extremely well based upon habits. 2. The dev tools aren't as good. I mostly work in the frontend, and simple things like how you write css overwrites with tab completion is just not as…

> Although firefox lets you make tabs smaller, it's default method of "scrolling" tabs isn't as nice as chrome infinite method. Tree style tabs works better in Firefox than Chrome. Just saying

There also an extension called Sidebery [1][2] which is a lighter alternative to TST. I've found that TST was making my Firefox hang several seconds before loading all my tabs.

[1]: https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery [2]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by simion314 »

jeltz wrote: post #26
viraptor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing It doesn't even stop you from developing with FF. DevTools were completely usable for years and unless you need very specific functionality, FF is just fine.

Agreed, Firefox's dev tools have been really good for over 5 years now.

For my work project I feel like the debugger has got slower, like when you press Ctrl+P to load a js file(we are using source maps) in debugger it takes so much longer in present where it was instant in the past - does anyone feel this slowdown or is something on my side only.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by Zardoz84 »

viraptor wrote: post #20
Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

> reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing It doesn't even stop you from developing with FF. DevTools were completely usable for years and unless you need very specific functionality, FF is just fine.

I personally think that FF dev tools are better that Chrome. Every time that I'm forced to use Chrome Dev tools, I get confused.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by ilikepi »

blitmap wrote: post #36
Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

I wish I could find a practical video/web series on using Devtools. Real-world examples of how to use every feature. I think Chrome probably benefits from better performance in its Devtools, but I do agree that Firefox does just fine. I find them nearly identical. My only criticism of Firefox Devtools is they seem to move around buttons and icons pretty frequently. It's frustrating to search for "is .... possible in…

Check out the "Developer Tools" category on hacks.mozilla.org[1]. When new features are added to DevTools, it's pretty common for blog posts to appear there, often with videos or animations. These are sometimes linked from the official developer release notes of the browser. It's probably not quite what you're asking for, but it's a start...

[1]: https://hacks.mozilla.org/category/developer-tools/

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by osrec »

miclill wrote: post #21
osrec wrote: post #9

I really want to use Firefox, but their dev tools are lacking in so many ways when compared to Chrome. Fix that, and perhaps even improve on a few things that Chrome does badly (e.g. JS profiling in the "performance" tab of Chrome dev tools gives you zero information about which functions are responsible for the overhead), and you'll have me converted. I've been wanting to ditch Chrome for ages, but have no suitable…

When did you last try Firefox? Chrome may still be better sometimes but Firefox improved a _lot_ recently.

I don't disagree that it has improved a lot, but shortcomings still continue to exist. It surprises me since Firefox is Mozilla's core product - I personally would have expected them to crush Google Chrome in usability and functionality.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by wongarsu »

burtonator wrote: post #38
Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

Love that FF exists but one of the things that always strikes me is that if FF is successful in their mission they will cut off their major revenue channel. Google is still the majority of their revenue is it not? The reason they're making that money is off the backs of other consumers who are NOT benefiting from the privacy features that you guys want to see everywhere. Willing to be totally wrong here and would lov…

FF gets most of it's revenue from Google Search, a service that was extremely profitable long before Google started personalized ads. Sure, Google might not like losing browser market share or having fewer tracking opportunities, but none of those hurt nearly as much as losing search engine users. I expect them to pay Firefox for quite some time (and if they don't, their competition will).

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by Rusky »

burtonator wrote: post #38
Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

Love that FF exists but one of the things that always strikes me is that if FF is successful in their mission they will cut off their major revenue channel. Google is still the majority of their revenue is it not? The reason they're making that money is off the backs of other consumers who are NOT benefiting from the privacy features that you guys want to see everywhere. Willing to be totally wrong here and would lov…

> if FF is successful in their mission they will cut off their major revenue channel.

I don't think that's necessarily true. Their mission isn't to break search engines, just to prevent privacy violations.

If Google Search is unsustainable with any less than Google's current level of tracking/etc, then I suppose a successful Firefox means an unsuccessful Google.

But Google didn't start out doing this much tracking, and there are other search engines out there that still don't. A paid default search engine that shows a few search-related ads on its results pages doesn't seem opposed to Firefox's mission?

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by slowmovintarget »

logicprog wrote: post #19
Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

I switched to Firefox a few years ago and it's great. Never looked back. I didn't even do it for ideological reasons like you and others, either, since I'm fine with Google.

When Google made moves to hem in ad blocking, I switched back to Firefox. It's not ideology. It's about being able to visit a site and read the the story without the text dancing around as the page fills with ads and animations.

Security is also a practical concern, not ideological.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by deathanatos »

zozbot234 wrote: post #33
vvillena wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any specific thing that makes it ugly? I'm curious because I don't see the ugliness. Since I use Firefox 99% of the time, I just opened Chrome and Edge to check out their address bars. All three are extremely similar. In Chrome and Edge the borders are more rounded, while Firefox opts for a more square look. All three feature a "popup" effect that makes the bar slightly bigger when interacting with it: in Fi…

It uses a non-native look for no good reason, and the "popup" thing obscures other parts of the browser UI.

I've seen numerous people discuss this, so I can only presume that there is some itch here, but I'm not getting it. Hasn't the location bar been non-native since pretty much forever, since it has to display icons and colors and all sorts of other stuff that I think most native drop down widgets just won't?

As for obscuring other parts of the UI … such as? (That it wasn't since the dawn of time; I mean, it drops down and obscures part of the browser window, sure? But it's done that since the idea of having it autocomplete was first added.)

The only recent change seems to be that it swells up by a few pixels when you focus it. (I'm not a fan, but it honestly doesn't seem to matter much. It has started to not show the carat, and that is definitely annoying, and I'd agree more with a native widget argument there, I just don't think one exists.)

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