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Re: Firefox 78

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Post by whereistimbo »

snide wrote: post #25

I recently tried to move to Firefox (again). I try to to this every couple years. I run into the same three blockers every time. 1. The omnibar completion isn't as good. Chrome figures out where I go pretty regularly, and autocompletes extremely well based upon habits. 2. The dev tools aren't as good. I mostly work in the frontend, and simple things like how you write css overwrites with tab completion is just not as…

> Although firefox lets you make tabs smaller, it's default method of "scrolling" tabs isn't as nice as chrome infinite method.

Tree style tabs works better in Firefox than Chrome. Just saying

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by jeltz »

ChrisSD wrote: post #22
Yizahi wrote: post #3

Does it still have UglyBar from v77? Seems like that.

Can I ask why it's considered "ugly" now but wasn't before? Isn't it just a few pixels bigger?

No, it is smaller so that is not the issue. The old completions used to use up the full width of the browser window. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I suspect that the proportions are just slightly off.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by zozbot234 »

vvillena wrote: post #27
Yizahi wrote: post #3

Does it still have UglyBar from v77? Seems like that.

Is there any specific thing that makes it ugly? I'm curious because I don't see the ugliness. Since I use Firefox 99% of the time, I just opened Chrome and Edge to check out their address bars. All three are extremely similar. In Chrome and Edge the borders are more rounded, while Firefox opts for a more square look. All three feature a "popup" effect that makes the bar slightly bigger when interacting with it: in Fi…

It uses a non-native look for no good reason, and the "popup" thing obscures other parts of the browser UI.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

jeltz wrote: post #26
viraptor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing It doesn't even stop you from developing with FF. DevTools were completely usable for years and unless you need very specific functionality, FF is just fine.

Agreed, Firefox's dev tools have been really good for over 5 years now.

There's even a special version - I've used Firefox developer edition for a while now - it supports web sockets while the normal Firefox didn't (I don't know if it now does). My only complaint is that clearing the cookies has a weird delay to it when compared to chrome.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by whereistimbo »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #18
akerro wrote: post #11

Pocket is great and totally deserves more promotion. I know this will trigger a lot of people saying it's spyware, I used to think that too, but then I embraced it and it's great for bookmarking, syncthing tabs, reading news as podcasts on mobile etc. It's great.

Something being spyware and you embracing it seem orthogonal. Are you saying it is spyware (not an argument I've seen before) but you choose to use it anyway?

It was a third party app and the forced bundling feels like a bloatware. Now Mozilla Corporation owns it, it doesn't really a concern anymore.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by blitmap »

Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

I wish I could find a practical video/web series on using Devtools. Real-world examples of how to use every feature.

I think Chrome probably benefits from better performance in its Devtools, but I do agree that Firefox does just fine. I find them nearly identical.

My only criticism of Firefox Devtools is they seem to move around buttons and icons pretty frequently. It's frustrating to search for "is .... possible in Firefox devtools?" and see screenshots of how things looked only a couple months ago. Then I play i-spy for the icon that does this.

I do wish a remote debugging standard were defined. Firefox says it supports remote debugging but I have no exposure to this. I just want to hook up node to it like in Chrome.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by jiggawatts »

Wow, they finally got around to fixing a certificate-handling issue. That must have closed a bunch of decade-old bugzilla issues.

Now if they could just get around to supporting intermediate CA certificates and all of the Windows certificate stores, not just a couple of randomly chosen ones, that would be swell.

Also, IPv6 support in PAC files would be nice.

If any Mozilla employees come to YC News: Unimportant-seeming stuff like this is why Chrome crushed Firefox in the Enterprise.

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by burtonator »

Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

Love that FF exists but one of the things that always strikes me is that if FF is successful in their mission they will cut off their major revenue channel.

Google is still the majority of their revenue is it not? The reason they're making that money is off the backs of other consumers who are NOT benefiting from the privacy features that you guys want to see everywhere.

Willing to be totally wrong here and would love to see more FF advocates speak out here but FF wouldn't be financially viable without Google and many FF advocates say Google is the problem...

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by JadeNB »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #18
akerro wrote: post #11

Pocket is great and totally deserves more promotion. I know this will trigger a lot of people saying it's spyware, I used to think that too, but then I embraced it and it's great for bookmarking, syncthing tabs, reading news as podcasts on mobile etc. It's great.

Something being spyware and you embracing it seem orthogonal. Are you saying it is spyware (not an argument I've seen before) but you choose to use it anyway?

I'm not sure about the claims about spyware—I suspect akerro was simply reporting on the general feeling of the complaints, rather than using precise language—but I know that there was a loud outcry from people unhappy that the proprietary service Pocket was integrated as a part of the core browser, rather than as an extension, which seemed not to be consonant with the stated Mozilla mission to openness and transparency; and that, at least initially, there were no switches to get rid of it. (I don't remember the exact situation now, but whatever it is is the result of Mozilla giving in in response to lots of user push-back against the forced integration.)

Re: Firefox 78

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

logeekal wrote: post #17
Santosh83 wrote: post #12

Great. Unlike many, I walk my talk and have always used Firefox since more than a decade with no exceptions. The very commonly given reason that DevTools are better in Chrome still doesn't stop one from using Firefox for all other general browsing. Unless we support alternatives we really shouldn't complain when they gradually die off in a space that is increasingly coming under the control of giant corporations with…

I love to use Firefox and run away from Chrome but but but... Firefox never matches the perfomace with chrome in windows. Although, in linux Firefox FTW.

I use Firefox as my main browser, in Windows 10. Its performance doesn't seem any worse than Chromium-based browsers.

Looking at [0], it seems Firefox sometimes outperforms Chrome/Chromium, and sometimes loses, depending on what's being tested.

[0] https://arewefastyet.com/

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