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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Aerroon »

jerf wrote: post #521
Nasrudith wrote: post #496

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I would put it as "the problem is society" essentially as opposed to size per se. I personally doubt that what is essentially a forcibly sharded technical approach akin to what MMOs did to deal with larger loads and content saturation would be useful. Content depends upon O(n) users subdividing it would reduce the utility and make it lose out and worse breed a new tribalism. Combine that with side channels and I am s…

It doesn't have to be a "forcible shard". In fact I think that's not terribly effective and there's better ways to do it. Weblogs did it fairly well, way back when. Also, don't forget that you don't belong to one community; it's not like you log in one day and get assigned to your immutable chunk of the internet. You wander around the read versions of various communities, pick a couple of communities you invest it, p…

I feel like reddit tried doing just this. You see this quite clearly when you visit niche subreddits. The problem is that the large subreddits have a larger impact on the direction the site takes. They make demands of the admins and they spread their culture to adjacent subreddits. The barrier between two subreddits is likely lower than two websites.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Can_Not »

postphoned wrote: post #851
zalkota wrote: post #779

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Isn’t /r/politics completely one sided fake news to prop up the democrats???

>Isn’t /r/politics completely one sided fake news to prop up the democrats??? /r/politics is how I imagine the "Two Minutes Hate" from 1984. A complete circle-jerk that has infested many of the main subreddits. /r/pics, /r/nextfuckinglevel, /r/publicfreakout are rather outposts of /r/politics these days. No wonder, when a small clique of politically aligned mods controls the major subreddits. Even /r/askhistorians jo…

Damn, I can't believe they took a non-neutral stance on extrajudicial murder of black people. Crazy stuff.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Aerroon »

kungato wrote: post #854
zalkota wrote: post #779

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Isn’t /r/politics completely one sided fake news to prop up the democrats???

I'm not sure why this is downvoted. As an European I always found r/politics to be on the other side of funny US politics (dem and libtard and whatnot) and I also found it a bit disrespectful that it was just for US news. I get the whole "we were here first" thing but reddit is a bigger platform than that

I think calling it fake news is going too far. They are incredibly partisan though, but many refuse to admit it. They also bring a lot of their ideas elsewhere.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by HeadsUpHigh »

monadgonad wrote: post #833
HeadsUpHigh wrote: post #767

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The loss of what.cd still saddens me every time I see it mentioned.

In case you didn't know, redacted.ch replaced it and probably has all of the same torrents.

I know about red. Unfortunately their tracker economy is way too hard for me to compete with my asymmetric adsl home connection( 0.5mbps uplink) and I'm not going to spend money for pirating. I do however have other private sources of music( including various ftp servers utilized by the known unknowns), p2p networks, soulseek etc.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by nmfisher »

tanilama wrote: post #370
ve55 wrote: post #7

Worth taking note that in today's climate, you really cannot win when you are in a position to moderate important things that a lot of people use. There is constantly tremendous pressure on you to perform opposing actions, and even making no decision at all will cause you significant mental stress and harassment, regardles of what the issue is. You have to pick who you want to cave to, and to what extent, and no matt…

> could have more federated and decentralized platforms I would absolutely not going to a platform with no moderation. The quality of the content will be abysmal. Honestly, r/D or something like that should just go to host its own website/forum, it shouldn't be Reddit's problem to begin with. Their presence brings toxic attention/traffic that is hard to monetize anyway

> Honestly, r/D or something like that should just go to host its own website/forum, it shouldn't be Reddit's problem to begin with.

I think that's basically what they've done.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by afiori »

afiori wrote: post #88
T-hawk wrote: post #61

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This is correct, those two ideas are often mistaken for each other. Reddit is not a governmental entity, and as a private platform, has every right to decide what speech it will or will not publish. But we can wish that Reddit as a speech platform would embrace the principles of the First Amendment rather than suppressing all the speech it doesn't like.

> Reddit [..] has every right to decide what speech it will or will not publish. For legal reason that publish should be host.

Edit: host or promote

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by CJefferson »

sixteenyearold wrote: post #836
skinnymuch wrote: post #566

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We need some sort of logic behind words and meaning. To call /r/politics or CNN etc left wing is too much. I don’t have an exact argument on hand. It just feels so wrong to subvert the expectation of a word or phrase this much to casually call stuff like this left wing. As op said: “ Edit (since I can't reply): r/politics is American liberalism, which is centrist.” I don’t care about being that specific. Just don’t c…

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Are any of these not deleted posts?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

belorn wrote: post #723
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #708

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Email is not controlled by Google. There is myriad of other big players in the field, plus you can get an email server on your own domain up and running in ~ 5 minutes

Email is controlled through gmail in the same way as webdesign is controlled by SEO directed towards google search. People need to access the users on the google platform, and google sets the terms for that. That is, if you want your email to work you got to play by the rules dictated by google or a very large portion of all email will go away into a black hole.

If Google will start blocking random non-spammy domains from exchanging mail with Gmail users, it not end well for Google and their mail platform.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

three_seagrass wrote: post #722
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #463

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Is email controlled by Google and Yahoo?

e-mail is a communication standard, not a network/system.

You are trying to say it doesn't fit the 'anything decentralised' criteria?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by kerkeslager »

ardy42 wrote: post #720
kerkeslager wrote: post #689

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You're just ignoring my questions: 1. When has censorship been effective? 2. How does your censorship plan deal with subtle racism and dog whistles? And I'll add a question I haven't asked yet: 3. How do populations become and stay primed against open and earnest fascism/antisemitism/racism/etc. in your censorship plan? I don't think you have a leg to stand on if you can't answer these questions. The reason I'm askin…

> You're just ignoring my questions: > 1. When has censorship been effective? > 2. How does your censorship plan deal with subtle racism and dog whistles? > ...I don't think you have a leg to stand on if you can't answer these questions. How can I answer them directly, when I think they're based misunderstandings? For instance, I don't classify many of the things you seem to be talking about as "censorship" (e.g. ban…

I'll try to rephrase my first two questions to address your semantic concerns:

1. When has a silencing action similar to the banning of /r/The_Donald been effective in reducing bigotry and/or fascism?

2. Your criticism of free speech is that it allows people to post subtly racist memes and dog whistles, but you haven't presented an alternative. How do you plan to deal with subtle racism and dog whistles?

I'm putting in an effort to use terminology that's amenable to you, so please put in an effort to understand my questions and answer them, rather than objecting to semantics.

> > 3. How do populations become and stay primed against open and earnest fascism/antisemitism/racism/etc....

> Education coupled with regular refreshers/responses as needed. If you want to teach kids anti-Nazism, it's not like you have to first invite an open and earnest Nazi to school to lecture the kids in class about how the Jews are subhuman and corrupt everything, etc. The anti-Nazi lesson can be taught directly.

Let's be clear: no one is proposing we bring earnest and open Nazis into schools. We're both on the same side: we both want to stop Nazis. So let's keep this on topic and avoid straw man arguments.

The anti-Nazi lesson can be taught directly, but in that teaching, you have to teach people the Nazi ideology, otherwise they don't know what they're actually against. And you need to keep that up-to-date, otherwise people are defended against what Nazis were saying 10 years ago. Nazism changes and adapts and we have to adapt to fight it. And if we're constantly paying attention to and responding to what Nazis are saying now, that starts to look suspiciously like just having an uncensored conversation.

If we don't do this, we run the risk of creating a generation of anti-fascists who can't recognize fascism if it doesn't have a swastika on it. This is already a problem: check out Dianne Feinstein, for example.

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