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Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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This seems dubious. What in world would be the mechanism? On the other hand, I don't see the harm in doing this and it seems easy to replicate. Hopefully others will quickly try to replicate it, and if they do, try to figure out why.

I read a paper a while back that suggested it improved mitochondrial function.

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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Questions: (a) Does this study sound plausible? (b) Would staring at the correct red color on a monitor work? Or would that not work since monitor colors are generated by mixing R, G, and B pixels and therefore not a pure wavelength? (c) Would it be reasonable methodology to test one eye to see if it improves over the other eye?

This is the hex value for 670 nanometre red. #ff0000 Per https://academo.org/demos/wavelength-to-colour-relationship/

This only makes sense on a precisely calibrated display. On everything else, there's no way to tell what wavelength you actually end up with when you fill your screen with a color.

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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Shouldn't it be quite cheap to determine the frequency using a prism, using the angle of refraction? I think you should be able to use known missing frequencies in sunlight to calibrate your set up. Back in a minute going for duckduckgo

So it looks like you need a bit more than a prism to see Fraunhofer lines, but there seem to be online description of how to do it with a with a prism and a CD, maybe you don't even need a prism, there seem to be 'make your own spectroscope' tutorials than mention building one with cereal box, and maybe a lens of some kind

The D line is probably more easily seen in a colored flame made by adding salt water to an alcohol-burner flame:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_spectrum#/media/File:...

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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Frankly my experience with posting sources on HN has almost never been good. It's often just taken as a reason to pick those apart and start a flamewar. My comment above has been downvoted at least 5 times which makes me confident that this is one those times. For what it's worth I have no stakes in anything and no sources at hand. I remember having read at least two different studies about this, but it has been year…

Surely it’s not controversial to post a scientific publication supporting your claims. I suggest you Google-fu yourself.

A quick search turned up the following. The list is non-exhaustive and wasn't vetted in detail.

2017: Aging Retinal Function Is Improved by Near Infrared Light (670 Nm) ...

"Our data suggest, 670 nm light can significantly improve aged retinal function"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28129566/

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2016: Red Light of the Visual Spectrum Attenuates Cell Death in Culture and Retinal Ganglion Cell Death in Situ

" Low, non-toxic levels of red light focussed on the retina for a short period of time are sufficient to attenuate an insult of raised IOP to the rat retina"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26928988/

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2015: Mitochondrial Decline Precedes Phenotype Development in the Complement Factor H Mouse Model of Retinal Degeneration but Can Be Corrected by Near Infrared Light

"we provide evidence for a mitochondrial basis for this disease in mice and correct this with simple light exposure known to improve mitochondrial function"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26149919/

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2013: 670 nm light mitigates oxygen-induced degeneration in C57BL/6J mouse retina

"These results suggest that pretreatment with 670 nm light may provide stability to photoreceptors"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24134095/

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2013: Low-Intensity Far-Red Light Inhibits Early Lesions That Contribute to Diabetic Retinopathy: In Vivo and In Vitro

"Daily 670-nm PBM treatment resulted in significant inhibition in the diabetes-induced death of retinal ganglion cells"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23557732/

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2013: Paranode Abnormalities and Oxidative Stress in Optic Nerve Vulnerable to Secondary Degeneration: Modulation by 670 Nm Light Treatment

"Light at a wavelength of 670 nm may serve as a therapeutic intervention for treatment of secondary degeneration following neurotrauma"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23840470/

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2012: Age-related Retinal Inflammation Is Reduced by 670 Nm Light via Increased Mitochondrial Membrane Potential

"670 nm light [...] significantly increased mitochondrial membrane polarization and significantly reduced macrophage numbers and tumor necrosis factor-alpha levels"

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22595370/

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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It's not implausible. How many modern "ailments" are simply the result of not doing what our bodies were adapted to.

This is why I bought a squatty potty and make sure to walk for an hour most days. Physical evolution does not keep up so well with modern society's pace of change and understandings therein.

> walk for an hour most days

I've started doing the 10,000+ steps for a couple of years, and yes there does seem to be a difference to my health and energy.

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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Questions: (a) Does this study sound plausible? (b) Would staring at the correct red color on a monitor work? Or would that not work since monitor colors are generated by mixing R, G, and B pixels and therefore not a pure wavelength? (c) Would it be reasonable methodology to test one eye to see if it improves over the other eye?

This is the hex value for 670 nanometre red. #ff0000 Per https://academo.org/demos/wavelength-to-colour-relationship/

I imagine the brightness of a monitor is not enough for there to be any effect but maybe I'm wrong?

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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This is the hex value for 670 nanometre red. #ff0000 Per https://academo.org/demos/wavelength-to-colour-relationship/

This only makes sense on a precisely calibrated display. On everything else, there's no way to tell what wavelength you actually end up with when you fill your screen with a color.

A perfectly calibrated display might still not be able to display pure wavelengths. At the very least if it's calibrated properly it won't normally do so at #ff0000 as pure 670nm is well outside the sRGB colour space.

Re: Declining eyesight improved by looking at deep red light

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Questions: (a) Does this study sound plausible? (b) Would staring at the correct red color on a monitor work? Or would that not work since monitor colors are generated by mixing R, G, and B pixels and therefore not a pure wavelength? (c) Would it be reasonable methodology to test one eye to see if it improves over the other eye?

(a) not a medical person so can't answer this (b) unlikely, monitors work by essentially filtering out undesired colors from white light. I don't believe that >650nm light is within the color gammut of monitors. That's quite a long wavelength and close to infrared. To give you an indication, the Helium Neon lasers which used to be very common in schools etc for laser demonstrations have a wavelength of 632nm. Even if…

There are several different approaches to monitors, OLED RGB sub pixels individually emit light. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED. That said, your wider point stands.
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