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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by ekianjo »

saltedonion wrote: post #42

India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

Wasn't TikTok also caught intercepting the clipboard contents of the phones on which it was installed? Not sure about malware, but it could certainly be qualified as spyware if it actually does that.

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Post by mav3rick »

unishark wrote: post #724
parthdesai wrote: post #419

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They are state governors, but did the state have a majority that wasn't either of the two main parties? That's the point. In India, in this particular instance, majority of the population were sick of the political parties in the country, there were protests and then this person created an entire new party and this party went to get elected in the capital state. I think that's the what democracy should allow you to d…

I'm not sure what you are asking. Governors aren't selected by parliament or something. In every state in the US, Governors are elected by voting in elections, as are senators and representatives at every level. Those independent candidates won a plurality or possibly majority in the state elections. That's how they become governors. If an independent becomes governor, it means a plurality of people voted for them an…

Can you just acknowledge the fact that it's hard to have nuanced sides while standing as a candidate in America ? I don't know what you're going on about, even your president with his anti establishment rhetoric needed a nomination from 1 of the parties.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by alextousss »

xwolfi wrote: post #615
SllX wrote: post #594

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Nation states have military, intelligence, diplomacy and police corps. They reserve the power to stop, detain, arrest, jail, try, sentence, imprison, and kill. That’s why how we go about those things is a Big Deal, and why we have so many rules about who can go about it, how, under what circumstances, what the laws are that they’re enforcing, what the processes and procedures are for enforcement and how guilt is dete…

I think you forget a detail. Nation state, or any state, are sovereign. If the national community agrees on something, it's all that matter. We don't have to abide by other countries standards on everything especially if we dont like it. Im thinking as a French I had to fight a lot with free speech absolutists abroad, while at home we're quite okay with selective censorship... it sounds scary to an American sometimes…

As a french I completely disagree. These laws are harmful to everyone who dears to speak.

In France, censorship is a real problem for most intellectuals and individual citizens . Assa Traoré, the leading personality protesting against police violence has been repeatedly sued. Charlie Hebdo, the satiric newspaper that was attacked by terrorists who killed 12 people had been repeatedly sued. Eric Zemmour, a right-wing intellectual has also been condemned for speaking. Citizens who have placed a "Macronavirus" (concatenation of Macron, our president and Virus) sign in front of their house have spent a night at the local police station.

"Hate Speech" is a way too broad definition. And the censorship in France is getting bigger and bigger, notably since the highly-controversial Avia Law that forces Social Media platforms to censor "Hate Speech".

All these examples, have been made with non-evil governments. Our current president is a centrist and the last one was a leftist. Now, imagine what could happen when the far-right has to decide what "Hate Speech" is? I don't want to live that, and the Rassemblement National has been rising to dangerous levels.

We would be much better with constitutional and absolute free speech as in the US.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by [deleted] »

ianleeclark wrote: post #57
saltedonion wrote: post #42

India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

Are YouTube algorithms open? I don't really see a difference here. Nation state vs. private corporation is different on paper, but I don't see why. They're both going to react to material stimuli to increase their standings.

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Post by bjourne »

BobbyJo wrote: post #532
bjourne wrote: post #301

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You are spreading baseless, racist speculation.

Speculation? Yeah, sure. Baseless? Not really, considering the great firewall and all. Racism? Where?

Baseless in the same way as me saying "I bet your mom dropped you a lot when you were a baby." It's a claim not based on anything and therefore baseless. It's racist because you are claiming that race is a significant factor.

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Post by chinesempire »

verdverm wrote: post #600
chinesempire wrote: post #540

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> Everyone has problems But very few countries have homicide rates worse than US and lower life expectancy, despite having the highest spending per capita in health care in the World So maybe before criticizing, fix your own problems. Assuming you can.

https://www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/ 25th percentile means 3/4 of the worlds nations have a lower life expectancy. If the concepts of many and few have switched, I might consider thinking about things you have posted the last few days. Given your strong sentiments against several groups of people in blanket statements, I suspect you will find yourself consistently down voted and flagged when yo…

> 25th percentile means 3/4 of the worlds nations have a lower life expectancy

LOL

what did you miss from despite having the highest spending per capita?

US has the lowest life expectancy in the entire west.

And it's going down, not up.

It's 46th in that ranking, my country, Italy, is 6th.

USA is even below Lebanon and Estonia.

Lebanon has been at war for the past 40 years and has been bombed several times.

Do you think US citizen know that int their country life expectancy is worse than a country which is literally in ruins?

> I suspect you will find yourself consistently down voted and flagged when you speak like this.\

Do you really believe I care about the downvotes ?

You should care about living in a country where some living standards are lower than many third world countries,

- Infant mortality (deaths/1,000 live births)

USA is 46th, worse than Latvia, Lithuania, Cuba, Belarus, Estonia, Antigua and Barbuda

- Under-five mortality rate per 1000 live births.

USA is 44th, again after countries they consider thirld World, including ex USSR (Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Estonia) and Cuba

BTW, when you talk about other countries fascism, true or not, you should remember that in my country there are US military bases, not Chinese.

The Itavia Flight 870 was shot down in 1980 by NATO fighter jets fighting Libyan jets in civil air space, killing 81 people

It wasn't the Chinese

In the 80s CIA was involved with far right terrorism that killed many innocent people, they were scared that Italy was going "too leftist"

The father of a friend of mine was killed on the 2nd of August of 1980, he was waiting at the train station in Bologna.

We were both kids.

Wikileaks revealed the "Kissinger Cables", documents that Henry Kissinger sent to express the intolerance of the US administration for the Italian justice system that was "being too hard" on the neofascists groups.

If you look at the English Wikipedia page for "strategy of tension" and then at this https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategia_della_tensione_in_It... you will see there's a great difference in the story told and the amount of documentation presented. In particular any document that calls out the US, including all the evidence found in over 40 years of investigation by the Italian authorities, is not mentioned.

Can you guess why?

The Strage del Cermis (Cavalese cable disaster for you non Italian speakers) was caused by an US air pilot, 20 (TWENTY) people died.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_%2...

It wasn't the Chinese

And there are many other...

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Can you guess now why I don't care about your downvotes?

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Post by chinesempire »

hnal943 wrote: post #662
franklampard wrote: post #608

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Plus, the average Chinese minority does not fear being shot by the police.

Google Uighurs. Being a minority in China means being subject to genocide.

While being a minority in US on the other hand...

Ask the Native Americans about it.

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Post by fiblye »

airstrike wrote: post #674
xwolfi wrote: post #615

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I think you forget a detail. Nation state, or any state, are sovereign. If the national community agrees on something, it's all that matter. We don't have to abide by other countries standards on everything especially if we dont like it. Im thinking as a French I had to fight a lot with free speech absolutists abroad, while at home we're quite okay with selective censorship... it sounds scary to an American sometimes…

> Im thinking as a French I had to fight a lot with free speech absolutists abroad, while at home we're quite okay with selective censorship... it sounds scary to an American sometimes, but hell we dont care :D I'm not surprised you're being downvoted as I've tried to make this point with American friends before and gotten the same reaction 10/10 times. To use a very topical example: in other jurisdictions outside of…

If free speech doesn't protect a person's right to say negative, bad, or even wrong things, it's not free speech. Even the strictest authoritarian regimes don't restrict people from saying approved or positive things--that simply wouldn't make sense unless their goal is to have zero speech whatsoever.

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Post by concordDance »

mda wrote: post #283
tshaddox wrote: post #209

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> This might be a shock to most people in the western world, but if you go on almost ANY news website in china, the headline news is dedicated to government propaganda. Those people would be even more shocked by the extent to which this is true in the western world as well.

Is it though? At least you can see different sides, different voices.

Different voices from the same narrow Overton Window.

Lets say it's December 2015 and I want to find out what ISIS has to say about it's activities.

It was nigh impossible to find unfiltered information from them.

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