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Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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Wow, it was really hard to find out what this software does. I finally found a demo at the end of an hour-long talk from 2 years ago: https://youtu.be/PlAU_da_U4s?t=2687 So it seems to have a bunch of scripts to import data into its database from a variety of sources (including cloud services), and provides a search interface to navigate that historical data. And it has a lot of under-the-hood stuff about replication…

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Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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Do you store your par2 files on different discs from the data they refer to? Do you have multiple copies? Do you store the discs in a cool, dark place when you're not using them? Do you have another form of backup, preferably offsite? If you do all these things, I think that's about the best you can do with optical media.

Haha, I keep the par2s on the same disc, and then I make multiple copies of the same disc and they're in a cardboard box in my basement somewhere.

The ink on writable optical disks fades over time... So of all the copies were written at the same time, they might all stop working at around the same time and cause problems :)

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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I admire the goal of reliable long term data storage. I don't need to store tweets or 5TB videos, but my current solution is duplicate DVDs with a bunch of par2 files to hopefully ward off bit rot. I feel like there's some room for improvement.

You can buy a 2tb drive for $100. $200 and you've got 430 DVD's worth of data redundantly stored. $300 and you've got local redundancy AND offsite backup.

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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Haha, I keep the par2s on the same disc, and then I make multiple copies of the same disc and they're in a cardboard box in my basement somewhere.

The ink on writable optical disks fades over time... So of all the copies were written at the same time, they might all stop working at around the same time and cause problems :)

Yeah if you're really taking this seriously it's worth investing in an LTO-4 drive and some tapes.

There might be a better medium available nowadays but if I seriously wanted to have a piece of data fifty years from now that's where I'd start.

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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The ink on writable optical disks fades over time... So of all the copies were written at the same time, they might all stop working at around the same time and cause problems :)

Yeah if you're really taking this seriously it's worth investing in an LTO-4 drive and some tapes. There might be a better medium available nowadays but if I seriously wanted to have a piece of data fifty years from now that's where I'd start.

Really, any second form of backup would be a good idea. Preferably, it should be stored offsite and separate from any other backups.

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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I admire the goal of reliable long term data storage. I don't need to store tweets or 5TB videos, but my current solution is duplicate DVDs with a bunch of par2 files to hopefully ward off bit rot. I feel like there's some room for improvement.

You can buy a 2tb drive for $100. $200 and you've got 430 DVD's worth of data redundantly stored. $300 and you've got local redundancy AND offsite backup.

Even if magnetically they don't have 'bit rot', they use bearings where the lubrication can dry up and wear out when they're not turning for long periods of time.

You need to keep them spinning on a regular basis, and replace them as they begin to fail.

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

#18

Wow, it was really hard to find out what this software does. I finally found a demo at the end of an hour-long talk from 2 years ago: https://youtu.be/PlAU_da_U4s?t=2687 So it seems to have a bunch of scripts to import data into its database from a variety of sources (including cloud services), and provides a search interface to navigate that historical data. And it has a lot of under-the-hood stuff about replication…

yeah like a lot of OSS backup products the docs are grandiose without focusing on ease of operation / feature parity with dropbox

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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The GitHub page has lots of fairly recent updates: https://github.com/perkeep/perkeep

Last commit was in March, mind you. It looks like an interesting project though

I imagine the author is pretty busy with Tailscale right now.

Re: Keep Your Stuff, for Life

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Ah, nostalgia :).

It seems like with the recent wave of news about social media migrations (reddit, facebook, twitter, twitch, tiktok), people are hopefully starting to get more and more warmed up to the idea of protocolization of their social data.

But most of the projects doing it are still just too immature. Solid, Perkeep, Blockstack, etc. just seem like vaporware.

Seems like the only serious projects in use are Matrix, Urbit, and ActivityPub/Mastodon. But I haven't checked in with the decentralization scene in a while.

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