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Could it be that it’s just not as popular as one might think?

No. Keeping out LGBT related keywords was shown to increase their performance.

Yeah but is it the algorithm suppressing such content, or is that outside of a vocal minority, similar tags reduce interest in the content, on average?

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I think this sort of response was inevitable and will be seen in more and more nations. China bans most of the popular websites and apps (including Wikipedia). The most recent trigger was the border standoff between India and China where Indian citizens could see and read both governments' responses, but Chinese citizens were only told Chinese govt's talking points. This seems like yet another instance of the paradox…

The paradox of tolerance is bullshit though, as it's not based on empirical evidence. It's just armchair philosophy used as justification for intolerance by intellectuals, the mental gymnastic people need to get over their cognitive dissonance. AFAIK Plato came up with it to justify autocracy. That says it all actually.

For me the paradox of tolerance doesn't make too much sense is because intolerance usually is recursive. There would be intolerance, and intolerance of intolerance, and intolerance of intolerance of intolerance, so on so forth. It is usually can be used as justification against other groups, since everyone is in the intolerance chain.

Maybe it should be paradox of even/odd level of tolerance? Also, in practice, it's hard to define which are the primitive intolerances and which are not.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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TikTok is controlled by an authoritarian dictatorship engaged in a war against Western/Democratic values and human rights.

Many around of the world see the US also an authoritarian state with little regard for human rights.

Not at all relevant. The post and this comment chain are about India and China.

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>B) If the "western world" is the bar, the bar is low. And yet China manages to fail this low bar stunningly. To the point that they are running actual concentration camps for Muslims. Something no Western government has done, and the last one to do finished paying reparations to the victims 4 years ago, 70 years after it happened.

Western governments literally have a history of slavery. Right now, America is running actual concentration camps for African Americans. Don’t think western governments are any better.

So does nearly every other country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Slavery was first abolished by the west. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery#Abolitionis...

Global abolition of slavery was led by the league of nations in 1926

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/1926_Slavery_Convention

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

> "India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat."

I'm surprised, actually, that Trump hasn't expressed a desire ban TikTok. Especially after they trolled him so badly at that Tulsa rally!

He's managed to ban Huawei over (unproven and strenuously denied) security issues. Yet TikTok has direct influence over something much more important than 5G radio equipment: the hearts and minds of a generation of American children!

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Curious why can't India learn the lesson that China uses to change these statistics in 3 months? Of course, if it is related to long-term national security. - Ban the companies for 3 months. Then allow selectively. - Reduce the tax from South Korea and Japan.

Because of trade deficit that is already in China's favour. I assume banning these companies means further actions on China's part that will impact India even harder.

Would deficit reduce if we ban mobile providers, since deficit is more on side of India.

Doesn't china comparatively has lesser moves than india as it enjoys trade benefit far more than India.

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#627
Slightly off topic. After the Covid-19 masks are not useful / we must wear masks fiasco, if you are willing to think it through, it is painful how most media are not independent at all. At best they are beholden to group thinks, parroting government officials. At worst they are just instruments of propaganda. I believe it is time for each person to control the information they receive, just like diet. AdBlockers are a good first step.

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> This might be a shock to most people in the western world, but if you go on almost ANY news website in china, the headline news is dedicated to government propaganda. Those people would be even more shocked by the extent to which this is true in the western world as well.

Not even remotely true. The West has myriad choices to choose from in comparison. I don't think you understand how in sync the media is there. They'll literally run identical stories at the same time on every major network, and publish the same set of stories in their papers day after day.

Sinclair is trying to get there!

https://theweek.com/speedreads/764546/watch-surreal-video-co...

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

I was skeptical about this, but I think they are surely are. I installed tiktok just maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago.. it was kind of fun at first and was amused by some stuff on there. What it was showing me I thought was very relevant to prior stuff I had seen in some regard (just the type of humor) so I was kind of impressed. Then all the sudden it started showing me all this pro-Trump/pro-religion/antiBLM stuff. And look,…

I don't think there's any mystery here, I also started seeing pro-Trump posts but that's because I'd watched other posts. If you start swiping immediately on those videos, they stop showing up. The algorithm doesn't care if you watched a video because you were enjoying it or were upset but couldn't turn away (or if you left a comment to support the content or argue with the creator). They tune it to glue your eyeball to the screen.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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post #137

India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

Just from a more farcical standpoint, the idea of one country attacking another via dance trends feels like a page out of Zoolander.

This is a world I want to live in. Where do I sign up?
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