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Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by grishka »

sequoia wrote: post #192
mdavidn wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cope with this confusion by avoiding third-party login whenever possible. Why volunteer additional information about myself to Google or Facebook?

Because you can frequently avoid account creation, setting a new password etc if you click “sign in with google.” It’s a tradeoff but if you don’t see any value in it you maybe haven’t used it- it’s convenient.

Also there are services that log you out after some time. You aren't doing anything wrong, you're simply using the service, but at some point you open it and see a login form. Now, I don't understand why do sessions have to have a lifetime at all, this is terrible UX, but clicking one button to log back in instead of actually typing stuff on the keyboard is much more convenient.

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Post by jasonlingx »

crazygringo wrote: post #157

As they point out at the very bottom, all their arguments apply to all third-party sign-ons, so they're removing Facebook as well. So there's nothing specifically against Apple, despite the title seeming to imply it -- just that they're taking the move right now because of Apple's new policy coming into effect. I've got to say, I really wish there were a way to know whether I already used Facebook, Google, or Apple t…

> As they point out at the very bottom, all their arguments apply to all third-party sign-ons, so they're removing Facebook as well.

Nope, not all their arguments. Only some.

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by djrogers »

buboard wrote: post #106
czzr wrote: post #5

Buries the lede. They’ve chosen to drop support for Facebook login rather than also support Apple login. So working as intended!

aren't they going to be asking for the real email though? email remains the best and free-est login identifier. Most people who are not complete internet plebs have a second email for things they dont trust.

> Most people who are not complete internet plebs have a second email for things they dont trust.

The vast majority of people don’t have a second email for things they don’t trust. You’re living in a nerd-bubble, but the rest of the world is on the internet too.

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Post by monadic2 »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #194
crazygringo wrote: post #157

As they point out at the very bottom, all their arguments apply to all third-party sign-ons, so they're removing Facebook as well. So there's nothing specifically against Apple, despite the title seeming to imply it -- just that they're taking the move right now because of Apple's new policy coming into effect. I've got to say, I really wish there were a way to know whether I already used Facebook, Google, or Apple t…

"all their arguments apply to all third-party sign-ons" No they don't. Other sign-on options don't obfuscate the email address. They are likely removing FB login as otherwise their next app update will be rejected by Apple for supporting third party login but not Apple login.

Surely you can’t hide your email from apple itself.

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Post by saagarjha »

monadic2 wrote: post #214
rahimnathwani wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"all their arguments apply to all third-party sign-ons" No they don't. Other sign-on options don't obfuscate the email address. They are likely removing FB login as otherwise their next app update will be rejected by Apple for supporting third party login but not Apple login.

Surely you can’t hide your email from apple itself.

You can't; the design behind Sign in with Apple is that you've already trusted them with your email as you're using it to buy apps from the App Store.

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by cortesoft »

grishka wrote: post #211
sequoia wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you can frequently avoid account creation, setting a new password etc if you click “sign in with google.” It’s a tradeoff but if you don’t see any value in it you maybe haven’t used it- it’s convenient.

Also there are services that log you out after some time. You aren't doing anything wrong, you're simply using the service, but at some point you open it and see a login form. Now, I don't understand why do sessions have to have a lifetime at all, this is terrible UX, but clicking one button to log back in instead of actually typing stuff on the keyboard is much more convenient.

Isn't that what a password manager is for?

Re: Why we won’t be supporting Sign in with Apple

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Post by saagarjha »

cbhl wrote: post #195
crazygringo wrote: post #157

As they point out at the very bottom, all their arguments apply to all third-party sign-ons, so they're removing Facebook as well. So there's nothing specifically against Apple, despite the title seeming to imply it -- just that they're taking the move right now because of Apple's new policy coming into effect. I've got to say, I really wish there were a way to know whether I already used Facebook, Google, or Apple t…

> I've got to say, I really wish there were a way to know whether I already used Facebook, Google, or Apple to log into a site or app before. Bookwalker (from Japan) draws a big red box around the login you used last on a given device. Presumably they store a cookie/sharedpreferences with it. It doesn't look pretty, but it helps.

That's useful, but on any device of mine I'm usually logged in anyways. What would be really useful is knowing this when I log into a new computer.

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Post by duxup »

KeepFlying wrote: post #168
duxup wrote: post #45

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I wonder if Apple would be ok with asking them to give up their email? Apple clearly likes the idea of the hide option... personally I would expect a less than positive reception from Apple. I get where both AnyList (if they asked) and Apple (if they didn't like it) would be coming from here. It does seem to be a shortcoming here where outside of a user one time sign up situation... you don't want to have to burden t…

I think it would come down to user hostility here. If I sign in with Apple and opt out of giving my email only to be faced with a prompt demanding I give up my email address, I'll be upset. I JUST told the app (via checking the box in Apple) that I don't want to give my mail, so why is it now suddenly required? However if the app allows me to sign in and only asks for my email when I try to interact with a feature th…

I think the problem is that once you want to be found, like for a grocery shopping app, most folks think you search and just find them and when it doesn't work....they don't know to go find some settings and figure it out.

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Post by ogre_codes »

Aeolun wrote: post #166
swagonomixxx wrote: post #102

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The anonymous e-mail that Sign-In with Apple generates forwards to the e-mail used to set up your Apple ID. So it's not like it's a random e-mail that acts as a /dev/null. This is by far the biggest selling point of Sign-In with Apple for me and I will continue to use it, and continue to not use apps that don't support it. I have plenty of e-mail aliases, but having an alias auto-generated for you is very convenient,…

So you say you are using your email as the unique identifier instead of the password? If you use a unique password for every service, what would you need a unique email for?

> If you use a unique password for every service, what would you need a unique email for?

Because then you control when the flow of marketing or "Service" related email stops. And you can tell which vendor leaked your email either deliberately or by accident.

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Post by jdironman »

niyikiza wrote: post #208
joshspankit wrote: post #165

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Having had this same problem multiple times, I actually made it a point to save a “login” for those sites that when I autofill it reminds me which auth service I’ve used. Username: Log in with FB Password:

Neat trick. Some websites don't even bother giving you any choice for traditional username/password input though.

It's just a further example of the software / online experience being so...fluctuating as a whole. Which has its pros and cons. Pros being freedom of visual and interactive expression. Cons being lack of expectation.
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