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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by kanox »

BobbyJo wrote: post #524
jlmorton wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. And who cares if they are? We live in an open society, and in the US, freedom of speech is a foundational principle. This is among the trade-offs you face when prioritizing absolute freedom of speech.

Foreign propaganda broadcast and pushed by a hostile foreign government isn't protected speech. Not sure why anyone would need to say that out loud, but here we are. 2020, going hard.

This argument can be used to ban all foreign press. It's nonsense, but unfortunately common in 2020.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by buzzkillington »

ravingraven wrote: post #364
dathinab wrote: post #320

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Good point. But YouTube is not controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government which has a world view in direct opposition to what you could refer handwaveingly as "western" and is currently pushing to become the dominant power in the world. If you furthermore consider how bad the "western world" (mainly Britten and the East India Company) had treated it in the past, some aspects of the Chinese culture and the…

This is a joke. The "western world" created PRISM and Five Eyes and has been meddling in elections in the third world for almost a century. Additionally, what do you define as the "western world", because by some measures it includes some actually fascist governments like e.g. Saudi Arabia. A) Having democracy does not correlate with having transparency and freedom, this has been de facto proven. B) If the "western w…

>B) If the "western world" is the bar, the bar is low.

And yet China manages to fail this low bar stunningly. To the point that they are running actual concentration camps for Muslims. Something no Western government has done, and the last one to do finished paying reparations to the victims 4 years ago, 70 years after it happened.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by markovbot »

arcticbull wrote: post #18
markovbot wrote: post #6

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This is a pretty common response: just vote for the other guy. Too bad no one trustworthy is running for the executive office.

So it's time to change the system. Ranked choice voting and a third party could make a world of difference. Continuing to give all your money to an entity you don't trust isn't a working plan. It leads to, for instance, the COVID response. Defeatism around something so critically important to the success of a country isn't a plan.

I was not trying to suggest defeatism, just sick of hearing voting in the current system as a reasonable response to anything. Not saying don't vote, just saying stop suggesting it's the way to fix specific problems. Voting probably won't fix most problems.

Absolutely, one of the big systemic changes we need to effect is a switch to ranked choice voting. There are several other significant changes to the US's voting system that would also be needed. Things like a complete elimination of voting machines, and honestly a full switch to vote-by-mail would probably help.

Of course, the voting system in this country isn't even the biggest problem, some how. Things need to change before next election, not in a few election cycles.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by gdy »

gruez wrote: post #537
im3w1l wrote: post #514

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If American public sentiment wants my country destroyed, then it's a bad thing for my country. Today they don't but who knows about tomorrow? Extremists are taking over and the situation is unfolding in very unpredictable ways.

>If American public sentiment wants my country destroyed, then it's a bad thing for my country. Might be bad for you , but probably not bad for Americans. The people have spoken and the corporations are doing their bidding. Sounds like what most people want from their government. This as opposed to China, where an autocrat is deciding what to do and enforcing his will onto his subjects. Whether it's ethical or not is…

"but probably not bad for Americans"

That is scary.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by pmarreck »

Good.

Free societies should be completely isolated from societies without remotely the same liberties, human rights or sense of ethics.

If you make money off a country because it permits its workers to be enslaved and paid a pittance, you both support the ongoing enslavement AND reward the leaders of that country. This is a devils' tradeoff.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by kanox »

BobbyJo wrote: post #532
bjourne wrote: post #301

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You are spreading baseless, racist speculation.

Speculation? Yeah, sure. Baseless? Not really, considering the great firewall and all. Racism? Where?

> Racism? Where?

Fascists famously accused foreigners of promoting "degeneracy": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art. Parent poster used this term with the exact same meaning and intention.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by pm90 »

kumarski wrote: post #403

Disclaimer: This is not investment advice, this is lunatic gambling advice from a systems engineer with a background in polymers who is an American born Indian. Tibet quenches the thirst of 3Bn people through ~10 rivers in SE Asia. Kashmir and Tibet are red hot conflict zones and this is through and through a contest of freshwater. This is a powder keg unlike any other and this scenario is collateral shrapnel. China…

Yes, obviously, long term intense military conflict between nuclear powers leads in incredible security.

While both countries engage in Sabre rattling, its inconceivable that there would be an arms race of the kind that would cause a significant change in the stock price of defense contractors.

A more likely scenario is the upcoming Biden administration steps in and bullies China and/or India into backing down. The hollowing out of the US State department has probably been one of the most underappreciated casualties of the Trump administration.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by stevens32 »

jryle70 wrote: post #462
puranjay wrote: post #332

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Remind me when they drop bombs on an African country's capital and hang its leader, all on a false charge of possessing WMDs. I see absolutely no way that any American can ethically justify the invasion of Iraq.

> Remind me when they drop bombs on an African country's capital and hang its leader, all on a false charge of possessing WMDs. They didn't. On the other hand they were the master of Khmer Rouge, who carried out a genocide killing millions of Cambodians in 1970s - [0] > In April 1975, Khmer Rouge seized power in Cambodia, and in January, 1976, Democratic Kampuchea was established. During the Cambodian genocide, the C…

> During the 1980s, China and the United States – together with their allies – backed Pol Pot in exile in order to counter the power of the Soviet Union and Vietnam, providing the Khmers with intelligence, food, weapons, and military training

From the wiki you linked

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by demux »

kanox wrote: post #413
krn wrote: post #360

A reddit user, who claims to have reverse-engineered the TikTok app[1], concluded: > TikTok is a data collection service that is thinly-veiled as a social network. If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it. > For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikT…

> > If there is an API to get information on you, your contacts, or your device... well, they're using it. For what it's worth I've reversed the Instagram, Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter apps. They don't collect anywhere near the same amount of data that TikTok does, and they sure as hell aren't outright trying to hide exactly whats being sent like TikTok is. I find this unconvincing and reddit comments are not trustw…

https://penetrum.com/tiktok/Penetrum_TikTok_Security_Analysi...
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