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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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My understanding was that someone would prevent me from owning private property or acquiring capital? I've read both The Communist Manifesto, and Capital, and they both left me with the impression there was going to be a violent revolution with people like me as the target. I'd be happy to be wrong however. Edit: I'm sorry someone is down-voting you. While I'm not sure I get it yet I want to hear your side.

> My understanding was that someone would prevent me from owning private property or acquiring capital? You got this the other way around. Private property needs force to be upheld. The sacralization of private property is so deeply ingrained that people actually prefer the KKK to even thinking about limiting it. It's so dogmatic that it's depressing.

> You got this the other way around. Private property needs force to be upheld.

I don't follow this at all, but I'm willing to listen? How does private property require any more force to uphold compared to any other possible system? Even anarchy, if you want it to stay anarchy requires force if you have defectors.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

> It is a win for the far-right to have y'all here on HN "disagree with them but still believe they should be here and not on the fringe"... The "far-right" is becoming a broad term in media usage and will end up in the same place as "racist" where it is a category that catches the views of a good 40% of people. It isn't obvious that wins for the far right is a bad thing. Nobody is going to lose sleep over the Klan b…

While there are probably examples of that, I find it unlikely that the general use of the "far right" would capture 40% of people very unlikely.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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No, racism is a system of oppression. You have adopted a narrower and more convenient definition that is not shared by the majority of the people that study this subject and its history. Equating people saying "whites can't dance" with the homicidal criminals engaging in the kind of brutality and dehumanization I described above is intellectual dishonesty, at best. >It never ends, because we keep justifying evildoing…

No. If someone says or does something to me based only on my race, they are a piece of shit racist. I don't care how many years his people has been oppressed by some other group of people.

Someone else mentioned what I'm defining more succinctly as "prejudice+power".

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"You literally have to send a picture of your black skin to the mods of r/BlackPeopleTwitter in order to be added to the country club." Is this really true? I quit Reddit years ago, even though some of the tech specific subs were awesome. Just couldn't stand supporting a site where the mods were so abusive. I remember the tipping point was a guy on there talking about "Foundational Black Americans", and essentially s…

It's true. If you're not black, you can instead write them an essay on how white people victimized you or something like that so you can be an honorary black user and be allowed to post.

Lol I can't even tell if you're being satirical or not

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That might be "the goal", but history shows us that the goal is never attained, and instead you end up in a perpetual dictatorship. Marx himself wrote in the manifesto: > The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase th…

Marx amended the manifesto shortly after the Paris Commune and said that seizing the state is not a good idea, and that instead one should try to build a society with as small government as possible using principles of direct democracy.

He said this because for him the Paris Commune was proof that initiating socialism is possible without State power. Since he profoundly disliked the State, he thought that it was better to abolish the state and instead implement a government of direct democracy and freedom.

Lenin, although he had read this and agreed with this anti-statist assessment, judged that it was not possible to implement such a strategy in Russia, because Russia was too big to rule coordinately in such a way, not in size of population, but in physical size and disparity. This was not necessarily an issue, but given the war that was raging at the time he decided that it was too risky to fragment the country at that point. He was also expecting that the rest of the world would see socialist revolutions, which was not unexpected at the time, but this was very optimistic. Since that did not happen, the state of the Russian Empire was maintained. This was, obviously, a huge mistake. He realized as much later, but did not see a way to fix that issue immediately. As he was making plans to prevent Stalin from taking power however, he unexpectedly died of a stroke at a very young age. All in all, Lenin, in the founding of the USSR made a series of mistakes that were so obvious that he eventually realized them. If he would have attempted to rectify them is an open and unanswerable question.

The conclusion from all of this, that most socialists realize nowadays, is that attempting to install an autocratic Leninist state is a huge mistake. This is why most modern socialist experiments have been centered around libertarian socialism, that attempts to implement the ideas that Marx was persuaded by after the Paris Commune.

In conclusion, you should read Marx's preface to the communist manifesto, in which he makes the points I have made above and warns against following the manifesto, claiming that history has proven him wrong and that it should not be considered as anything more than a vestigial document of nothing but historical interest.

He also warns that his ideas on how to implement a socialist society are, unlike his analysis of capitalism, nothing more than suggestions and that one should let them be empirically proven or disproven.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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You may want to read https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-...

I always wonder what people are thinking when they suggest that the US could silence an entire viewpoint through invocation of RICO or FTO designation. If the government could have declared an entire line of thought illegal, don't people think we would have done so numerous times already? We couldn't even ban membership in the actual communist party at the height of the Cold War (not for lack of trying, though).

Not an entire viewpoint. I am purely talking about the organization that is the KKK. I know that white nationalism cannot be declared illegal.

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Posts about it have been flying for about a day or two now. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/hh1s...

That seems to be exclusively about Reddit. How does this show coordination?

You're right. I was more pointing out that "people knew" before hand that a ban was coming, which means other platforms/groups knew about it and so could have prepared for it. If anything that's less of an argument that it's coordinated and more an argument that they're piling on after seeing one platform do it.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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They can classify them as a criminal organization according to RICO.

You may want to read https://www.popehat.com/2016/06/14/lawsplainer-its-not-rico-...

I know this. The KKK, or at least a great many chapters, is an organization that helped coordinate crime. By this, I mean that hierarchical members of the KKK organized criminal acts to be perpetrated by other members of the organization in their hierarchical control. The KKK was 100% a criminal organization that could have been prosectured using RICO. It would not even have been the only overtly political group where this would have been done.
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