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To this list we could also add Cassandra, ANTLR, Spring Framework, JUnit, Jetty, Tomcat, Android etc. The list continues. The beauty of Java is not Java/Programming language - but JVM. It inspired people to make other languages such as Scala or Kotlin.
And Clojure
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> It's really not great. Could you provide some more information on what it was not great?
For games, probably the worst thing about Java, especially if you're still on Java 8, is the garbage collector. Its pause times can be brutal. This won't be noticeable for games that aren't too hard on memory, or games where framerate doesn't really matter, but it was definitely noticeable (and annoying) in earlier versions of Minecraft. On Java 11 or later, I wouldn't expect it to be nearly such a big deal. At least…
To this list we could also add Cassandra, ANTLR, Spring Framework, JUnit, Jetty, Tomcat, Android etc. The list continues. The beauty of Java is not Java/Programming language - but JVM. It inspired people to make other languages such as Scala or Kotlin.
I don’t know if I’d celebrate Spring... and Oracle would rather Android use “real” Java, not Dalvik. The JVM was nice at the time, but I feel that languages like Scalia and Kotlin exist because Java was too conservative - and many of Kotlin’s great features had to be implemented using hacks and tricks to work-around the JVM’s now-primitive type-system. Also note that Kotlin can now target other platforms besides the…
And the CLR is about, oh, ten-fifteen years behind OpenJDK in compilation, GC and low-overhead deep profiling and observability. OpenJDK's C2 compiler is pretty much on par with clang in terms of optimisation [1] -- ahead on some, behind on others -- and in terms of sheer innovation and potential, its Graal compiler is probably the biggest breakthrough in compilation of the decade.
I'm planning to get a Masters degree in CS, and it bothers me that the program I chose uses Java as the primary language. They have an awesome theoretical curriculum, but it looks like I'll have to use Java to complete all the practical tasks. I'm a Node/React web developer, I want to build a SaaS startup, and I'm not really interested in writing Java apps, I doubt I'll ever want to use it for something. Do you guys…
So what's funny to me is how Oracle here is bending over backwards not to give Google credit for pretty much anything. It's actually hilarious. I laughed at Eclipse Collections. What? No mention of Guava, even though it's used way more. It's practically part of Oracle's copyrighted Java API. but of course the most hilarious omission is, of course, Android. And you can say "blah blah Dalvik VM blah blah" but... it's J…
After reading this, I think I need to learn Eclipse Collection and Micronaut.
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I don’t know if I’d celebrate Spring... and Oracle would rather Android use “real” Java, not Dalvik. The JVM was nice at the time, but I feel that languages like Scalia and Kotlin exist because Java was too conservative - and many of Kotlin’s great features had to be implemented using hacks and tricks to work-around the JVM’s now-primitive type-system. Also note that Kotlin can now target other platforms besides the…
That other popular Java-platform languages exist indeed shows that the Java language is too conservative for some , but that 90% use the Java language shows that its design is in line with what most people want. And the CLR is about, oh, ten-fifteen years behind OpenJDK in compilation, GC and low-overhead deep profiling and observability. OpenJDK's C2 compiler is pretty much on par with clang in terms of optimisation…
I'd nominate Bitwig for this. The UI is written in Java and is one of the nicest DAW interfaces around. The stuff they've been doing in the modular grid lately is particularly impressive. The fact that it's in Java means it works great on Linux too. https://www.bitwig.com/en/home.html
Does it use JavaFx for its UI? If not do you know what library/framework they use?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwig/comments/4c2zoh/what_program...
Lucene? Android :) Tomcat? Maven? The Minecraft coding community is amazing. What they get done without documentation is stunning.
I guess that they wanted to go down the route of "hardly controversial and highly popular" applications, that's why they didn't include Maven. Granted, Maven is an essential piece in the Java ecosystem, yet it seems that many developers are highly opinionated about it.
Minecraft and a lot of the other apps are terminally impressive, so it's easier to justify the ecosystem that produced them.
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> the customer doesn't care about the code I'm not sure this applies as strongly in Minecraft's case specifically, because of the critical importance of its modding community to its wild success. Normally it wouldn't matter what language you pick in terms of how popular the game is going to become, except it just so happened that by choosing the JVM they gave the ability to the community to decompile the game and add…
> it just so happened that by choosing the JVM they gave the ability to the community to decompile the game and add the content they want That wasn't their intention; Minecraft code was originally obfuscated specifically in order to combat reverse engineering and modification. https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/mpslv/why_are_mi... https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Obfuscation_map
And now it seems that Twitch and other "official" entities have conceded to the fact that modding was really the only reason so many people play Minecraft at all and they integrated installing mods into their official launcher. Server hosting for Minecraft is a legitimate business since you'd need enough RAM and single-core performance for mods also, so they advertise "mod-capable" hosting plans.
On top of that the entire decompiled and deobfuscated source of Minecraft 1.22 is sitting on GitHub to search through.
The sheer extent of modding capability that Java enabled caused this weird conflict between the interests of the parties wanting to retain the intellectual property of the game through obfuscation while at the same time admitting that people undoing it and using the source themselves for modding is never going to go away, and trying to forcefully get rid of it for the sake of this legitimacy anyways brings no benefit and would only anger and drive away the audience who already comes to expect mods. And then some group would probably just hack together some unsanctioned server/client package from the JARs that are already widespread and keep playing the old versions forever, since they'd still want to play modded Minecraft anyways, and there's no reason the whims of a few corporations ought to invalidate the past several years of modded Minecraft experience they've lived through already. At least it's a better case for modding than purely competitive games since a lot of Minecraft is about construction.
Sometimes I think that the only games that will truly last for the ages where new things are still being created and discovered regularly are the ones whose source code is in the control of the players, and they aren't actively poached for "stealing" in an attempt to extract a few more dollars per person. That, and the playerbase being motivated enough to keep developing content for them. It seems Minecraft is one of those few games as of present.