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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by LyndsySimon »

erichocean wrote: post #190
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

> Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this. It shouldn't, all social networks delegate banning "hate content" to the SPLC and ADL. It's much more efficient/effective to do things this way, and more importantly, it assures fair enforcement. Otherwise, you'd have the same content allowed on one platform, but banned on another. This approach is much better for the platforms and their user…

How does outsourcing the decision to the SPLC/ADL “assure fair enforcement”?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by phonypc »

ohgodplsno wrote: post #385
chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

>Conservatism has a place in society. Literal white supremacists and nazis however, do not. Those people should be pushed so far off any platform that their only option left is to be the crazies screaming on Times Square that the end of the world is coming. These people actively contributed to fostering hatred in societies, And no, you will not fight them off with debates. The time it takes you to rebuke a single one…

>By the way, it's not free speech. The government isn't banning them.

Free speech is a principle outside of the 1st amendment.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by koheripbal »

AgentME wrote: post #571
sinker wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So long as YouTube issues bans to users that are as egregiously racist as klan members I see no problem. I don't know any of these people, but if they are undeniably white supremacists, then it's a hard sell to dispute this individual action. But another argument lies in the policy of bans for certain types of speech, and that's the argument that's more pertinent. If we accept that YouTube can ban users for hate spee…

If YouTube shows itself as an unfair judge, then let's criticize them for that when it happens. Otherwise, having a judge is much better than having no judge at all.

How do you feel about this video advocating violence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijJu75WXLLs

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by bhupy »

klyrs wrote: post #428
rayiner wrote: post #407

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> What free speech? The government isn't preventing these awful people from spewing their hate. Companies refusing to host their content is not a violation of the first amendment. By your logic, the first amendment has no salutary rationale. We allow Neo nazis to march merely because the first amendment prohibits us from stopping them from marching, and for no other reason. There is no animating principle that we mig…

The first amendment is a limitation on Congress , not YouTube. The first amendment also confirms the freedom of association. On the balance, your radically expansive view of "free speech" trods deeply on the freedom of association and is unlikely to find any satisfaction in court.

GP is not making a legal argument. Nobody is arguing that the First Amendment applies to users of products provided by Facebook. GP is talking about the principle of free speech, which is why we have the First Amendment to begin with.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by rickbutton »

chrischattin wrote: post #624
golf1052 wrote: post #600

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Yeah it's kind of shocking to see people defend white nationalist speech on private platforms. Of all the marginalized groups out there why does the group that advocates for the discrimination, removal, or even genocide of historically discriminated and murdered people (black people, indigenous people, Jewish people) need defending?

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Are you seriously comparing the struggle of Jews in Nazi Germany to white supremacists being deplatformed in America?

If you are, you should really take a step back and evaluate the gravity of that statement.

Edit: Saw your edit. You can usually click the timestamp to reply when there is no reply button.

Thank you for the clarification. I'll repeat my previous statement because it still applies, I can tell that you simply don't grasp the gravity of your statement. It is -hilarious- to be called a nazi for calling for white supremacists to be deplatformed. I think I might print this out and put it in my cube (when I eventually get back into the office). Turns out, I was the Nazi the whole time, not the white supremacists! /s

Edit, again: For the readers, he edited-in, and then edited-out, calling me a Nazi for saying that white supremacists shouldn't have a platform. Just wanted to make that clear.

Edit, again, again: I did understand your point, I just refuse to engage with it, because it is ridiculous.

Edit, again, again, again. This edit-back-and-forth is funny, but I have to go now. I sincerely hope that you do some research and realize that your defense of white supremacists only entrenches them into our culture further. I hope that one day, you look back on your views here, and realize that you truly did not have to defend them, but chose to anyway.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Daishiman »

disposekinetics wrote: post #331
Daishiman wrote: post #317

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Remind me when was the last time that an organized revolutionary Marxist movement openly defied the US government in its own soil.

June 8th 2020.

You _just_ might have no idea of what an organized Marxist movement is so you might want to sit this one out.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by [deleted] »

rayiner wrote: post #626
skinkestek wrote: post #445

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> It is a win for the far-right to have y'all here on HN "disagree with them but still believe they should be here and not on the fringe". Just FTR we are pretty far from accepting the far right here on HN: tptacek shared some interesting research he'd done a couple of hours ago and it might be of interest to everyone here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23681929

Wait? We have a a “rep” on Twitter? HN is like one of the most civil places on the Internet insofar as ones where any debate of substance happens.

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by skinkestek »

sudosysgen wrote: post #589
skinkestek wrote: post #559

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dang has commented on this a lot lately and he says it is because we see the other side much easier than our own side. I agree with him to a large degree: I personally see mostly problematic content from the left[0] but I guess that is partly my bias. [0]: for example this comment earlier today that I thought[1] was absolutely crazy "I don't want to participate in spaces where religious white nationalists feel safe"…

Religious white nationalists want me deported or killed. Of course I don't want to be in a space where they are safe. People say white nationalist instead of Nazi because white nationalists will always deny being Nazis. Someone being nationalist for a race should immediately bring up red flags. There are also small differences. For example some white nationalists are not necessarily antisemitic, which is a characteri…

> Religious white nationalists want me deported or killed.

Where do you get that religious thing from? Because for all their faults all major variants of the mainstream religion in US and Europe is pretty clear about not supporting that -to the point that a number of clergy got in real trouble with nazi Germany.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by [deleted] »

sinker wrote: post #564
cjslep wrote: post #254

When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…

So long as YouTube issues bans to users that are as egregiously racist as klan members I see no problem. I don't know any of these people, but if they are undeniably white supremacists, then it's a hard sell to dispute this individual action. But another argument lies in the policy of bans for certain types of speech, and that's the argument that's more pertinent. If we accept that YouTube can ban users for hate spee…

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