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Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by notahacker »

iateanapple wrote: post #658
freen wrote: post #572

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I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. What’s your evidence that left wing violence exceeds right wing? By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-kill...

> I see someone isn’t a fan of Martin Luther King Jr. and the civil rights movement. Organizations change. In the same way that just because the democratic party has a horribly racist history doesn’t make the current party horribly racist. > By the by, a lot of the “left wing” violence recently was caused by right wing militia “boogaloo” people. The “boogaloo” are a conspiracy theory. Which is more believable: 1) A f…

I guess the far right activists on trial for the murders of both the law enforcement and security personnel killed during the protests can try the 'actually we don't exist: it was the left or the Feds' defence but I'm not sure it'll work out for them...

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ComputerGuru »

fernandotakai wrote: post #202
shakezula wrote: post #171

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ChapoTrapHouse has been laughing for months about their incoming ban, though. They knew it was coming and they've been preparing for it by migrating to other subs, moving to Discord, etc... T_D users are probably doing the exact same.

the donald users are already on a another site (which i won't link because i do not remember the url lol) and have been for a while now.

For posterity’s sake, I believe the commenter is referring to thedonald.win, which I’m purposely leaving un-linkified.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Natanael_L »

monksy wrote: post #524
berkes wrote: post #429

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In addition, mastodon, and even the protocol, has a lot in place to mitigate targeted harassment by a community. Individual Instance blocks, where a user can block an entire instance are in place. Instance blocks on your instance, where an admin blocks another instance for all the users of that instance. And, community driven, blacklists where an admin can copy paste from. Even more interesting, is that some instance…

> if you don't block Gab, there are a lot of instances that don't want to talk to you. Modern day witch hunts. (I'm not defending gab, or promoting it) However, these guilt by association hunts are irritating.

Sometimes drastic actions like this is the only way to maintain high quality

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by floatingatoll »

frankzen wrote: post #714

It's about time now to declare the "social media" experiment dead. We're basically learning that there is value in excluding. The all inclusive buffet only brings you down to a neutered lowest common denominator. You're not really going to get any real thought or discussion when you're conversation is monitored by outside moderators. It was doomed to fail anyway.

Do you consider this failure to include this social media site, “Hacker News”?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by Meekro »

FireBeyond wrote: post #692
Meekro wrote: post #545

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I don't think they're especially successful right now. Their President is barely holding on to majority support in Texas and is losing every purple state. He seems powerless to appease his law&order base by stopping the riots and indicting their leaders as he wants to do. Their Supreme Court justices keep ruling against them (another bid to chip away at Roe v Wade knocked down just this morning). Their online presenc…

> Lots of people have lost their jobs for criticizing BLM I think you'd need to cite cases where it was for objective criticism of BLM, and not associated/ tangential calls for violence, and/or hate speech.

Here are a few dozen examples: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1269314030663012352.html

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by carapace »

seph-reed wrote: post #735
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #707

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I'm sitting here thanking God for people like you because what you've just described sounds IDEAL. I firmly believe the best way to resolve all this is not censorship but by shining that light as brightly as possible. I wonder what a workable version of this looks like?

I have some hazy concepts around it. I suspect very humble inception. Something like having the other person think they're better than you for having less of their flaws than you do. Sort of a reverse psychology type of thing, but with more potential for doing harm. To be able to do it, one would have to first heal their ego I think. Be able to look like a jackass and not let it get to their head.

There's a metaphysical "law" that holds that when there's some quality in the other person that ticks you off especially, if you search yourself you'll find that it's a quality you also have, don't like about yourself, and are unaware of.

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by ppf »

blisseyGo wrote: post #750
ppf wrote: post #728

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Reddit just boarded the one-way express to crazy town. How can that policy possibly be enforced? Even if they do decide on some workable definition of what "majority groups" are, and how to prove which group you are in, I can't figure out what "actual and perceived race" means. So if someone makes an offensive comment to me because they think I am of a certain race, but it turns out I am not, it's still racism?

I am pretty sure when rules are written "vague", it's done that way on purpose so they can interpret it and abuse it in whatever way they like.

The trick was getting the identity-based discrimination into the rules. It seems Reddit overestimated the number of people who fully agree with the modern definitions of identity based on perceived oppression.

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Post by vikramkr »

dmoy wrote: post #650
ngold wrote: post #613

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Gotta respect the iron fist of /r/askhistorians. Probably the best sub on reddit.

Yea wow, I don't moderate r/askhistorians but rather a different sub, and we sometimes pride ourselves on keeping this relatively clean. But then I stumble across r/askhistorians again and remember that no, no we don't have things under control by comparison. We can barely keep a lid on the vitriol and toxicity, and some of the more blatantly false/scammy advice. r/askhistorians is a whole 'nother level. Sometimes I…

What do they do well that can be transferred without basically asking the mods to do more work? Isn't it just a manpower thing? Or do they have a way of verifying expertise etc so you know you're getting answers from experts without having to moderate each comment?

Re: Reddit shuts down subreddits including r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse

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Post by caconym_ »

mancerayder wrote: post #748
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > Less well known [than other paradoxes Popper discusses] is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with t…

It's tricky. I'm not a fan of Nazism myself, not least because I wouldn't survive very long if they succeeded. Punching them in the face is the least of what I would need to do to survive. .. but what stops me from calling you a Nazi if I personally don't like you? You can take a few steps away. Someone can say something, and a response can be, "the logic of this argument is Nazism." I've seen this argued (badly). No…

I definitely agree that it's tricky, and I don't think "Nazis" are the only threat we face today. Anybody whose approach to discourse is to shout down ideas rather than engage with them in good faith or just ignore them and walk away is suspect, IMO.

For instance, after 2020 so far I'm definitely at the point where I have serious doubts about the judgment of any Trump supporter or even any Republican voter, but if they try to have a real conversation with me it's not like I'm going to start yelling and throwing punches. On the other hand, if they're driving around outside a hospital screaming at nurses and threatening them, I'd be more in favor of "sanctions" against that person because I think that sort of conduct goes beyond mere expression. The right seems to delight in conflating violence and threat with free expression.

Illiberalism seems to be winning, unfortunately. The purity spiral crap on the left is just as upsetting to me as the right's zeal for ignorance, even if I don't think it's doing nearly as much damage right now.

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