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/r/cumtown was Chapo adjacent and also got the axe. Part of the dirtbag left or whatever they go by now.
Cumtown the podcast is chapo adjacent, /r/cumtown the subreddit was much closer to the The_Donald than chapo with its content.
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> How effective has "confronting fascism with the truth" ever been? When white people were afraid of black violence, Martin Luther King showed them black people peacefully hand in hand with ministers in their Sunday best, walking toward Selma and remaining nonviolent even as they were met with violence. When straight people saw gay people as dangerous deviants, Harvey Milk showed them gay people in their families, jo…
Those were IRL things that happened before people even had computers in their homes. We're talking about modern-day web forums. How effective has "confronting fascism with the truth" ever been, when the fascist is not being upfront about it, but rather posting hundreds of subtly racist memes and dog whistles to reddit?
I don't feel like I did this question justice with my previous answer.
The most obvious example would be the George Floyd video, and in a larger sense, the extremely effective tool of filming police as they harass, plant evidence on, beat, and murder the people they're supposed to serve. In the current situation, I think the results of that video speak for themselves.
In response to the pervasive narrative that focuses on looters and not on cops murdering black people (I linked to five minutes in, but the whole thing is worth a watch): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWE8k5EUonE&t=5m0s This tends to be persuasive in my experience.
This doesn't address racism because it's a white guy, but I find it's effective in getting people to take the complete lack of police accountability more seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc That officer (Philip Brailsford) was acquitted in a trial where the prosecutor moved to strike the video from evidence, and then the officer was rehired by Mesa Police briefly, before being given early medical retirement based on a claim of PTSD from the murder, earning him a $2500/mo pension.
Watch any of those videos that you haven't seen, and see how that feels, and realize that that's how they make people who were on the fence about these issues feel.
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Orwell coined the term "doublethink" to describe two contradictory concepts held simultaneously. Something like this: >Consequences may include social sanctions and violent reactions. >exercise your right to free speech (which is your right) Orwell wasn't describing an ideal or inevitable way of thinking, but the result of brainwashing. Now. When people say that free speech only applies to government restrictions, th…
> Orwell coined the term "doublethink" to describe two contradictory concepts held simultaneously. Something like this: > >Consequences may include social sanctions and violent reactions. > >exercise your right to free speech (which is your right) This is a false assessment. The fundamental government-blind right to speech does not include a right to group inclusion. There's nothing contradictory about you having the…
There it is again. Yes, it absolutely is contradictory to proclaim that you support freedom of expression while threatening to punch someone in the face when you disagree with their ideas!
There’s no winning this game. Soon they will be considered liable for anything they didn’t censor, especially from the extreme left, as they are making the appearance of support. I hope they’re paying Michael a massive amount of money to associate himself with this dumpster fire.
Extremist subs and their brigading were the biggest treat to free speech and creativity in the site.
r/RightWingLGBT was also banned because it supposedly promotes "hate" What is hate, anyways?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchRedditDie/comments/hh1pjd/redd...
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a number of subreddits like r/ConsumeProduct were taken over by the hate mongers from the_donald. You would have post brigaded to the front page that had absolutely nothing to do with consumerism or product promotion
I should be the prime target for a community sarcastically titled “consume product” as I hate spending money wastefully and enjoy getting good mileage out of anything I buy. Instead I learned how to block subreddits on my Reddit app of choice because the content had absolutely nothing to do with criticizing wastefulness. I could never quite put my finger on what the subreddit was designed for (I never subscribed, I o…
I'm fairly certain it started off that way. Unfortunately it doesn't actually take much coordination to brigade and take over a subreddit.
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> You have to pick who you want to cave to Why does the narrative have to be about "caving" to someone instead of weighing principles against each other and taking the action which protects what's most important?
I don't think the "caving" framing was about how the decision maker thinks about it, more about how one side or another sees it as "caving". Life is full of dilemmas like that where it's not possible to make everyone happy, but content moderation is full of dilemmas where, no matter what you choose, a few very unhappy ones will hound you to the ends of the earth.
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> The internet is an IRL thing, and these things also happened before electric cars. Unless you have some reason to think people's reaction to the truth is somehow fundamentally different on the internet than on TV or newspaper, I really don't see what your point is. The internet is a fundamentally different communications mechanism than TV or newspapers. Reasoning about internet forum social dynamics using pre-compu…
You're just ignoring my questions: 1. When has censorship been effective? 2. How does your censorship plan deal with subtle racism and dog whistles? And I'll add a question I haven't asked yet: 3. How do populations become and stay primed against open and earnest fascism/antisemitism/racism/etc. in your censorship plan? I don't think you have a leg to stand on if you can't answer these questions. The reason I'm askin…
> 1. When has censorship been effective?
> 2. How does your censorship plan deal with subtle racism and dog whistles?
> ...I don't think you have a leg to stand on if you can't answer these questions.
How can I answer them directly, when I think they're based misunderstandings? For instance, I don't classify many of the things you seem to be talking about as "censorship" (e.g. banning /r/The_Donald from reddit) despite your persistent use of that term, nor have I offered up any "plans" of any kind, let alone "[my] censorship plan."
> 3. How do populations become and stay primed against open and earnest fascism/antisemitism/racism/etc....
Education coupled with regular refreshers/responses as needed. If you want to teach kids anti-Nazism, it's not like you have to first invite an open and earnest Nazi to school to lecture the kids in class about how the Jews are subhuman and corrupt everything, etc. The anti-Nazi lesson can be taught directly.