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Worth noting that AnyList automatically subscribed me to a marketing list without double opt-in or any kind of consent, which is exactly the kind of behaviour that makes me not want apps to have my real email address.
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How is that different from FB/Google's login services? The only apps that are required to support Sign in with Apple are those that also support FB/G/etc sign in, so those companies have already chosen a path...
Google provides an email address. You could replace your Google auth with password auth in an afternoon just by adding a "forgot your password" link. Facebook auth used to provide an email address, but it's been almost a decade since I last used their APIs so I don't know if that has changed. Apple's "provide an anonymous email address" inserts them between you and your customer.
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It's good that you read Hey's blog post and are repeating it here, but it's not very accurate in this case. Specifically, if you implement Sign In with Apple, then they are still your customers as much as ever, they just might choose to hide their information from you because they don't trust you, which means that the power in the relationship is transferred to the user instead of the app developer.
Transferred to Apple more than the user.
> One problem is that most Apple IDs are tied to an iCloud email address. Is that actually true? None in my household are.
It depends mostly on the demographic in my experience. For example, my parents have icloud email addresses that they occasionally email me from and never reply to for the reasons mentioned in this post.
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Google provides an email address. You could replace your Google auth with password auth in an afternoon just by adding a "forgot your password" link. Facebook auth used to provide an email address, but it's been almost a decade since I last used their APIs so I don't know if that has changed. Apple's "provide an anonymous email address" inserts them between you and your customer.
When you use Apple's Sign In it flat out asks whether you want to use your real email or an anonymous one. The user is purposely says, "Hey, Apple get in the middle I don't trust these clowns."
Ironically, this is also why I use Sign Up with Apple at every opportunity I can
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Google provides an email address. You could replace your Google auth with password auth in an afternoon just by adding a "forgot your password" link. Facebook auth used to provide an email address, but it's been almost a decade since I last used their APIs so I don't know if that has changed. Apple's "provide an anonymous email address" inserts them between you and your customer.
When you use Apple's Sign In it flat out asks whether you want to use your real email or an anonymous one. The user is purposely says, "Hey, Apple get in the middle I don't trust these clowns."
I’ve got a new sign in flow I’ll be using for all my indie apps. It solves 2 problems I have with Apple. 1) no PWA support for notifications 2) forcing stuff like this on everyone I use a telegram chat bot. After signing up via the bot that sends you a link to set your password, you then also request a short expiry sign in link everytime you wish to sign in. The chatbot doubles as a notifications channel. I’m thinkin…
Sign-in With Apple is perfect for those accounts that you basically never wanted to have anyway. If it’s something where I want a “real” login, especially one that I might want to share, then I’ll go through the trouble of actually registering and picking a shared secret that my wife and I know.
But for the average app that needs a way to keep a user profile for me, it’s just right, and from a UI perspective on iPhone it really is magic. Two taps and I’m just in with zero mental baggage and an email relay to eliminate the possibility of spam.
Buries the lede. They’ve chosen to drop support for Facebook login rather than also support Apple login. So working as intended!
I'm going to be fascinated to see what this does for conversions. My company built the Neil Young Archives, when doing so we initially launched with Social log ins and at one point Neil decided Facebook and Google were evil and wanted to remove the access. According to our logs a full 2/3s of all users were registering with a social account and we were having great success getting folks to log into a free service (We…
Seeing some actual numbers would help me in making that decision.