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Remind me when was the last time that an organized revolutionary Marxist movement openly defied the US government in its own soil.
June 8th 2020.
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>Conservatism has a place in society. It does. I've also been confidently assured by my conservative friends that conservatism is a very different politics from racism, fascism, and neo-Nazism. I would not really consider the question of whether I myself am a human being or, as Richard Spencer has posited, a "soulless golem", to be a conservative vs liberal fight.
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It's bizarre to me that this is an opinion people have unironicaly. Conservatism is not equivalent to Nazism. For society to actually function there needs to be a healthy tension between the status quo and possible reform
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#333It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…
parler supports free speech, tho, right? except they're banning liberals: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...
Perhaps that is what it might take for the people who are receiving a taste of their own medicine to stand up for free speech. I doubt it, but it is nice to remind them that they don't have a leg to stand on.
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Well. We had several ideological purges earlier in 20th century, and I can tell what will happen next: every netizen will be triaged by a progressive troika, and sent to rehabilitation and education camps. Internet versions (excommunication), or real life ones .
I don't mind purging ideologies that are about racial superiority. Erase that shit.
Excellent. Look up Yakub, light your torch, and begin that purge.
You will do that, won't you? It's about racial superiority, after all.
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A purge of white supremacists sounds great to me.
sounds great to me to until I turned my brain on and realized that if you can purge one ideology, you can justify purging any other ideology.
This is a fallacy, I'm sorry. It's true that it can be impossible to determine what the specific characteristics of a belief that make it okay to silence, but that _doesn't mean there aren't differences_. We don't know when an acorn becomes a tree, but we know there is a difference. We can safely say that a tree is not an acorn, even though we don't know when that transition occurs.
We _know_ it's wrong to advocate for the ethnic cleansing of people. We _know_ it's wrong to talk about how Blacks are genetically inferior. We _know_ it's wrong to spread lies about how Jews control mass media. We can silence these evil, ignorant beliefs without being afraid that all other beliefs are at risk of being silenced.
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#336Soon to be found on Telegram I guess. Seem to be the only growing platform that does not ban opinions. Probably because they do not need to make advertisers happy. Conclusion: Ads still ruin the internet.
Yes, it’s the ads that are the problem, not the blatant racism. What the fuck is the matter with some of you...
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Somebody would open a competing grocery. Likewise, racist and bigots can build their own internet platform.
That's a confusing answer to what I said. I am not defending anyone in the post here but just yesterday, visa banned gab's CEO and his family. Now you need to build a payment processor which is not possible for any individual to do so. To how deep you want to go here? Put your own cables in the sea?
I wrote out a long response and only then starting researching Gab. So instead of my own words, here are some excerpts from their terms of service. If you don't like the counterarguments you're encountering here, you should consider that Gab feels the same way:
> if you don't like what we're doing on Gab.com or simply want to manage your own experience, you can spin up your own Gab Social server that you control
> We have the right to disable any user name, password, or other identifier, whether chosen by you or provided by us, at any time if we believe you have violated any provision of these Terms of Service.
> You agree not to use the Website... To engage in any other conduct which, as determined by us, may result in the physical harm or offline harassment of the Company, individual users of the Website or any other person (e.g. “doxing”), or expose them to liability
> the Company reserves the right to take any action with respect to any User Contribution that we deem necessary or appropriate in our sole discretion
> User Contributions must NOT...be obscene...
And of course all the usual legalese like indemnification and arbitration.
AFAICT, the only difference between Gab and Twitter is that Gab has orders of magnitude less users, and if they ever reached the usership levels of Twitter/Facebook/Reddit I have no doubt they would behave in ways they currently enjoy denouncing. I think they just want to have their cake and eat it, too.
edit: grammar, again haha
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#338When I, a white young boy, grew up in The South and saw the Klan, my father taught me to never do business with them, never enable their behavior, never let their organization rent rooms from venues I may own, and to decline all of their business even if they were paying extra to be your customer. For as long as he could remember, and his father before him, the Klan and other fringe organizations would always cry and…
Ok, what if this person were a thug and he advocates for a "thug life" (as an arbitrary example, a gangsta rapper)? And let's say he committed a lot of crime and physical harm to other people? Would you issue the same behavior towards him? Would you be very vocal about it?
You are not as subtle as you think you are.
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>The problem is they are not approaching the left's extremists with the same fervor This is a false equivalence. The worst of the alt-right are far, far worse than the worst of the extreme left (antifa, maybe? Though there is no alt-left). Good riddance to them, I say. If you want to lead the KKK, and advocate for a white ethnostate, I won't lose any sleep when you can't post videos trying to convince others of the s…
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How many people have revolutionary Marxists murdered in the USA in the last 25-50 years? I'm sure if you dig you could find one, maybe two. If you dig into far right ideologues involved in murders and shootings you will find hundreds and hundreds.
I am not a fan of revolutionary Marxism, but in terms of actual danger to people I don't see them as nearly as much of a risk. They also have far less funding than the extreme right and seem to be far fewer in number.
If revolutionary Marxists start killing people or conducting acts of domestic terror, then yes ban those people. Let me know next time a revolutionary Marxist shoots up a school.
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Remind me when was the last time that an organized revolutionary Marxist movement openly defied the US government in its own soil.
Here ya go: https://status451.com/2017/01/20/days-of-rage/
>Days of Rage is important, because this stuff is forgotten and it shouldn’t be. The 1970s underground wasn’t small. It was hundreds of people becoming urban guerrillas. Bombing buildings: the Pentagon, the Capitol, courthouses, restaurants, corporations. Robbing banks. Assassinating police. People really thought that revolution was imminent, and thought violence would bring it about.
>One thing that Burrough returns to in Days of Rage, over and over and over, is how forgotten so much of this stuff is. Puerto Rican separatists bombed NYC like 300 times, killed people, shot up Congress, tried to kill POTUS (Truman). Nobody remembers it.
>Also, people don’t want to remember how much leftist violence was actively supported by mainstream leftist infrastructure. I’ll say this much for righty terrorist Eric Rudolph: the sonofabitch was caught dumpster-diving in a rare break from hiding in the woods. During his fugitive days, Weatherman’s Bill Ayers was on a nice houseboat paid for by radical lawyers.
Bill Ayers bombed the US Capitol building, something completely forgotten today. You might remember him - he was Obama's mentor. Someone tracked down a rare first edition of his manifesto and reviewed it and scanned a bunch of pages in.
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
>Page 40 of the manuscript is typical: It outlines the Weather Underground's strategies for overthrowing the United States. Among the many strategies are: eliminating the feeling of patriotism among the general public, destroying the government from within, and starting a mass insurrection among the lower classes.
"Our final goal is the destruction of imperialism, the seizure of power, and the creation of socialism."
The following quote is taken from page 128, from the portion of Prairie Fire having to do with the Middle East. I include it here to show the amazing consistency of the radical left-wing view of the area -- the issues and arguments remain almost unchanged from 1974 to today: ending Zionism, no "war for oil," stopping U.S. support for Israel, etc. Aside from a few current events details, this exact same text could have appeared in any contemporary left-wing essay about the Middle East. This shows that what once was a radical communist view has now become mainstream: http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/pfpg128_2.jpg
