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Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by bad_user »

product50 wrote: post #375
bad_user wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The paradox of tolerance is bullshit though, as it's not based on empirical evidence. It's just armchair philosophy used as justification for intolerance by intellectuals, the mental gymnastic people need to get over their cognitive dissonance. AFAIK Plato came up with it to justify autocracy. That says it all actually.

And why should we believe you vs. Plato?

You shouldn't believe me or Plato, unless you like religion. You should believe in empirical evidence.

Is it based on empirical evidence? Is it based for example on longitudinal social studies? The answer is no.

And certainly absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence but it's baffling to me how people can cite this as fact, even if it might as well be bullshit.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

khuey wrote: post #159
stevewodil wrote: post #150

How does this ban actually get enforced? How are the apps blocked on devices which already have them installed?

Sounds like it'll be a combination of pulling them from the app stores in India and ISPs blocking connections to the relevant server IPs.

Any sources? I am also curious about this.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by kumarski »

Disclaimer: This is not investment advice, this is lunatic gambling advice from a systems engineer with a background in polymers who is an American born Indian.

Tibet quenches the thirst of 3Bn people through ~10 rivers in SE Asia.

Kashmir and Tibet are red hot conflict zones and this is through and through a contest of freshwater.

This is a powder keg unlike any other and this scenario is collateral shrapnel.

China has 5% arable land and its water becomes more putrid by the day. 20% of industrial waste water pollution is from textile dye that's dumped into water, and China has cornered the textile manufacturing market.

China uses water for dams. They built something like 20k+ dams in 70 years.

China uses water for agriculture, extremely inefficiently.

China weaponized water data on the Brahmaputra river and it caused downstream deaths in India.

I'm aggressively invested in $DFEN and $BA.

Boeing has 400 vendors in Inda. This will heat up.

MOD and DRDO ain't no joke.

If you were a murderous dictator like Xi Jinping, it would be prudent to kill the muslim minority to ensure a long and stable CCP indoctrinated control of Tibet and all the water brouhaha.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by TulliusCicero »

baddox wrote: post #214
TulliusCicero wrote: post #94

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I don't see a problem with targeting Chinese-made apps, given how much China blocks from other countries. Free trade has to work both ways.

I don't understand that argument. It sounds like you're saying that the way to get freer trade is for all parties to restrict trade, since "free trade has to work both ways."

I'm saying free trade ought to be reciprocal.

If one side is gaming the system by blocking foreign competitors while competing in those foreign markets, then that side should in turn be blocked until they're willing to change their tune.

China can be allowed to compete in other markets when they allow others to compete in their market.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by lern_too_spel »

kalesh wrote: post #359
shripadk wrote: post #259

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GPS tracker works via satellite and is a receiver. It is not a transmitter. Airplane mode turns off cellular services. So realtime tracking is not possible unless Airplane mode is turned off. Android can record tracker information but it has no way of transmitting it if the phone is in Airplane mode.

Yes & it immediately transmits once it comes back to cellular service.

You're confusing Android with iOS. Android builds with Google services let you disable A-GPS (and in fact ask you if you want it on initial setup). iOS does not.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by hyko »

ianleeclark wrote: post #57
saltedonion wrote: post #42

India is absolutely right in banning TikTok as it is a significant national securities threat. As long as the platforms recommendation and ranking algos are a black box, there is no guarantee that China isn’t conducting misinformation campaigns via the platform. At the very least, the government should audit the algos and make sure China can’t arbitrarily alter ranking results.

Are YouTube algorithms open? I don't really see a difference here. Nation state vs. private corporation is different on paper, but I don't see why. They're both going to react to material stimuli to increase their standings.

Because YouTube doesn’t have nuclear weapons and a plan to invade western allies?

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by kanox »

timmytokyo wrote: post #211
SenoraRaton wrote: post #147

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... You think the Google/Facebook/The US government aren't insidious agencies?

The whataboutism in this thread is really tiresome. Engage an argument on its own merits. Don't rely on rhetorical fallacies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Is it really whataboutism to compare TikTok with American social media apps? They seem to be very similar products and I'm not convinced that chinese applications collect more data. Shouldn't this be controlled by OS permissions anyway?

There is nothing more to this than anti-chinese hysteria.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by pphysch »

kortilla wrote: post #328
pphysch wrote: post #303

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Neither does TikTok proper, and those two are in close & opaque cooperation with the US government.

TikTok would be put out of business if it was critical of the head of communist party. Google/FB permit anti-Trump content and propagate articles against the administration without blowback. TikTok is bound to the CCP in a way that has no comparison in the west.

You're mistaking shallow Red/Blue political theatre for genuine (geo)political power struggles. If GOOG were to really challenge the supremacy of the US government, there would be swift consequences.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by class4behavior »

ravingraven wrote: post #364
dathinab wrote: post #320

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Good point. But YouTube is not controlled by an authoritarian fascist-like government which has a world view in direct opposition to what you could refer handwaveingly as "western" and is currently pushing to become the dominant power in the world. If you furthermore consider how bad the "western world" (mainly Britten and the East India Company) had treated it in the past, some aspects of the Chinese culture and the…

This is a joke. The "western world" created PRISM and Five Eyes and has been meddling in elections in the third world for almost a century. Additionally, what do you define as the "western world", because by some measures it includes some actually fascist governments like e.g. Saudi Arabia. A) Having democracy does not correlate with having transparency and freedom, this has been de facto proven. B) If the "western w…

Ah, people love to trivialize comparisons and disregard all context, especially intent.

By analogy you're basically equating tortute in order to prevent the detonation of a bomb to torture in order to detonate a bomb.

Yes, ethically all sides are compromised but as things stand they are by no means all the same.

Also, no one included SA as part of the West.

Re: India bans TikTok, WeChat, and dozens of other Chinese apps

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Post by ravingraven »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #386
ravingraven wrote: post #364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a joke. The "western world" created PRISM and Five Eyes and has been meddling in elections in the third world for almost a century. Additionally, what do you define as the "western world", because by some measures it includes some actually fascist governments like e.g. Saudi Arabia. A) Having democracy does not correlate with having transparency and freedom, this has been de facto proven. B) If the "western w…

> The "western world" created PRISM and Five Eyes What do you think PRISM and Five Eyes are? It is my experience that people who bring them up as huge evils have no idea what they are. They typically think that PRISM allows the NSA to read anybody's email (as opposed to being an ingestion system for data collected by the FBI) and that Five Eyes allows governments to indirectly spy on their own citizens, both of which…

They are electronic surveillance projects which have components that can be used by western governments to conduct blanket surveillance on their own and foreign citizens as illustrated by Wiki Leaks.
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